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Well, equal time for Bush on this board, then.

http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/lovedocs.html

[Spree: Bush being Bush. Nothing to spin.]

TM

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Yup. And, by the by, my post was a response to Hank's about how the statement by Cheney would play at trial.

You (well, maybe not you personally, but lots of Republicans) made the same "no convicitions/follows polls" critique of Bill Clinton. I'd say that he did a pretty good job as President. You wouldn't, I'm sure, but that's because you're wrong.

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I'm never wrong. Sometimes the wrong facts happen, though.

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You need to rephrase. You already said it was DOA before they set foot in the office. Just take the final step, put two and two together and admit it was a bullshit, empty promise.

TM

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What's the matter? You don't want to have a beer with Kerry?

TM

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Are you confused today?

He made the statement in the campaign. Then came the final days of the campaign, the court fights, and the resulting and never-ending personal demonization from a majority of Dems. At that point, it was DOA.

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Board Motto!

S_A_M

P.S. I'd say "Bush Admin. Motto" -- but they won't usually admit that much.

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It would be too frustrating. "What are you having? I'll have one of those, too. No, wait, those people over there are having martinis. I should have a martini. I love martinis. Well, I didn't like them yesterday, of course, but I liked them before that. So, yeah, I'll have a Bloody Mary. I remember drinking Bloody Marys with Hemingway on the summit of Kilimanjaro during the war. He said - and this is seared - SEARED - into my memory - that he loved the taste of gin. So now, I always have a Tequila Sunrise in his memory.

No, wait. You're having a beer, right? . . . "

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Of course I do

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

or not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...t6.html?sub=AR

"The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.

"Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had 'progressively decayed' since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of 'concerted efforts to restart the program.'

"The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons. While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years."


Is the silence on this report because it just confirms what all now admit? The administration's own report now shows (among other things) that Saddam had zero bio/chem stockpiles and was regressing, not progressing, on the nuclear front. This link is to an article -- but there are more analytical pieces in that edition too. "Gathering threat" my ass.

S_A_M

P.S. I would never say "Cheney Lied!", but he was, at the least, very seriously mistaken and does not wish to talk about it.

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Are you extra-senile today old man? You just said, "But, after four years of the stuff that Ty doesn't want to hear about, I think the initiative is sort of DOA."

Is "at that point" "the final days of the campaign" or "the last four years?" No matter your answer, it was an empty campaign promise. But the "personal demonization" thing is a nice touch coming from a Republican.

TM

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Is it difficult to see your computer with Rove's dick in your mouth?

TM

you might not have Gov. Schwarzenegger to kick around much longer
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134586,00.html

Just when Atticus seemed to be fading one of his predictions pops up true....

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If you were a Republican, would YOU be talking about anything substantive right now? Me neither. Not when I sent hundreds of thousands of troops into Iraq to ferret out WMDs to realize they've been gone for 13 years. Whoops! Sorry about your dead sons, daughters, husbands and wives, folks! My bad!

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I realize that, in this instance, Bilmore was "humorously" responding to a "humorous" comment made by Thurgreed, but it strikes me that the substance of the debate as to who should be the head of the executive branch of the most powerful country in the world has, for maybe the last year or so, devolved to the following:

Bush supporters: "Kerry is a flip flopper."

Kerry supporters: "Oh yeah? Well, Bush is dumb."

Bush supporters: "Well how about this: Kerry flip flops."

Kerry supporters: "Well maybe you should think about the fact that Bush is dumb."

Bush supporters: "Flip flop. Flip flop."

Kerry supporters: "Dummy dumb dummy."

Of course, although I have not actually read any of it, I'm certain that the debate on this board is far more focused on substantive differences in the candidate's policies and reasoned arguments about the practical effect those policies will have on the country, and is not simply a bunch of dressed-up name-calling in which partisans approach politics with the same mentality as a sports game, supporting their chosen candidate/team regardless of the facts and circumstances and employing extraordinary feats of rationalization to do so.

Thus endeth my semiannual, highly condescending, "contribution" to the Politics Board.

Global Test of Another Kind
 

From Insta:

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

Guess the source:

"IS SADDAM MANUFACTURING EBOLA VIRUS? This important and detailed report from the Washington Post makes for unnerving reading. Yes, as the story details, we don't know for certain whether the reports of defectors are completely true and our satellites cannot determine with complete accuracy whether new buildings and construction are designed to build weapons of mass destruction. So the question becomes: who gets the benefit of the doubt? A dictator who has used such weapons and declared the United States as an enemy or a democratic country that has already experienced terrorist catastrophe?

KERRY'S OBVIOUS FLAW: For all the Times' puffery, isn't it a critical problem for John Kerry that he voted against the first war with Iraq? If he couldn't stand up to Saddam and the enemy after a brutal invasion of another country, why should we trust him to defend our security today? I'd say that's a fatal weakness."

(It's noted Kerry supporter Andrew Sullivan, pre-conversion. Isn't hindsight wonderful?)

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FWIW, I'd like to have a mojito with Kerry.

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Well, that's all just stoopid.

(Point for me. Your turn.)

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Delete everything after "13 years" and replace it with, "I've seen how hard those troops work on tv," and add a few "Go fuck yourselves, we're never wrong," and it's a more accurate read.

TM

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I understand your intentional obtusity (obtusiousity? obtuscatoriness?) and will try to make this clearer.

You: The campaign promise to "unite" was hooey.

Me: Not when made. But, when it became apparent that the other side of the aisle was all drinking from the same koolaid cooler, and screaming "he's Hitler's reincarnation!!", (which began in earnest in the last days of the same campaign in which he had made that "uniter" pledge), there was no longer any possibility that anything he could do would effect that pledge, aside from doing everything the Dems wanted him to do, and I doubt that that was his burden at that point.

Ha!
 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...12933_2004oct6

Unanimous rebuke of DeLay from the Ethics Committee. Fucking asshole.

R(can you tell that I hate this motherfucker)T

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Whatever, bilmore. You changed what you said to try and bolster your original, flawed argument. But I expect no less from you. Either way, this one is done.

TM

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

Yes, hindsight does make analysis easier.

But the clarification that comes with the passage of time also helps to evaluate the performance of those involved at the time and since that time.

After all, it's not the break-in, or the oral sex, that gets you -- its the "cover-up."

No one would suggest that we ignore hindsight in performance evaluations -- and elections are in large part performance evaluations on a massive scale.

S_A_M

P.S. I freely admit that I can't be neutral or purely objective, because I _might_ have even voted for Howard Dean over Bush. (That would have been even harder than voting for Dukakis over Bush I.)

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Oh, good. Screw up your argument, and then declare victory. I like it.

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Wasn't there some effort at bi-partisianship before Jeffers switched? I recall Teddy and W, joking about some bill. It is hard to work with people who are fillibustering your every judicial appointment. How does one work with them?

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Well, it's a great argument - "he said he'd bring us together, and I still hate him, so he lied."

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This is like arguing with you about rap music, movies and tv. Pretty soon you're going to say, "I've never even heard Cheney speak."

1. You said the campaign promise was real. I said that they didn't even try. You said they didn't try because of what happened at the end of the campaign and before Bush took office. Then you said the last four years of mean-spiritedness by the Dems was the problem. Then you went back to your first argument. Whatever. The fact is, they pumped themselves up as the great uniters and didn't lift a fucking pinkie to follow through with the promise. Cheney says he never even met Edwards. You seem to think that it's all Michael Moore's fault.

2. I didn't screw up my argument. I merely noted that your argument was flawed and that I disagree with it. That is hardly a declaration of victory. It's more like, a declaration that arguing with you is fucking pointless.

TM

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Hank invented that.

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

Although Sebby was right about this yesterday, and it bothers Sebby to no end that any politician can be stoopid enough to do this, it appears that at the very least Dean was honest about his plans and positions. The rest lie to us and make us guess how much they want us to bleed. Dean just came right out and told us.

Don't get me wrong, he's a clueless socialist bastard. But I liked him, even though I agree with Sebby that it puts him in an unwinnable position, and would have voted for him just on principle. The principle being that I hate his politics. I hate his party (hyperbole!). I hate him (hyperbole!). But I love that he was so transparent.

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

Did he really, though? My understanding was that the persona he projected pre-primary was greatly at odds with who he has been over his political years. If he had intended to stick with this new persona once elected, then I'd agree with you, but it seemed to be enough of a change to suggest that he was merely campaigning to polls, and would likely switch back to what he really was (in the past) once the election was over.

Weapons Inspectors Vindicate Bush on WMD!!! . . .
 

I thought Not Me said that all the WMDs were moved to Syria prior to/during the war.

Ha!
 

Tell us again what DeLay did wrong?

I find it a wonder that this hasn't gotten more play.

you might not have Gov. Schwarzenegger to kick around much longer
 

I don't disagree with Sen. Hatch, but I would also extend his reasoning to the 2d Am. and Dick Cheney.

you might not have Gov. Schwarzenegger to kick around much longer
 

Smart girl.
 

Natalie Portman campaigning for John Kerry:

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/5151/natalieportman2.jpg

http://img43.exs.cx/img43/6861/natalieportman3.jpg

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Okay. Explain Ashcroft.

Smart girl.
 

You realize that the only other time she was involved in Politics she fucked up a whole galaxy, right?

Ha!
 

That man almost makes Cheney look like an avuncular grandpa figure.

Any idea where the indictments in TX are going? ["a third component of Bell's complaint. It dealt with the fundraising group Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee, or TRMPAC, to which DeLay is closely linked. A Texas grand jury last month indicted three of DeLay's political associates on charges of using TRMPAC to illegally collect corporate donations and funnel them to Texas legislative races." -- from article RT linked to]

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He just doesn't like tits.