Funny
 

Many of the pro-choicers, by no means all, debate the life point. That is why I need scientists. Others, like my father, take a far more practical approach.

Dead Babies
 

I think that the bottom line with the pro-choice crowd is that they feel the biological fact that women are the ones who get pregnant is unfair. Abortion is their way of trying to make up for this biological unfairness.

Dead Babies
 

No, the unfairness is being told by someone who has not and cannot be in a similar situation not to have an abortion.

That said, if only women were allowed to vote on the question "abortion: legal or not?" would a vote for "not" be any more palatable?

John Thune update!
 

Arlen Specter

Dead Babies
 

Why don't men have equivilent abortion rights - i.e. "Either you abort, or I get to opt out"

Rather unfair that the woman gets to choose her economic destiny, whereas the man can be unwillingly on the hook for 18 years of child support.

Dead Babies
 

They should.

Dead Babies
 

Last I checked it was pretty hard for a woman to rape a man in a way that would get her pregnant. That whole erection thing is pretty key to pregnancy.

Unless you were raped and that caused the pregnancy, you were not an unwilling participant.

Saudi Arabia Proposes Islamic Force in Iraq
 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul28.html

Interesting development.

• JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia, July 28 --In talks with Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Saudi Arabia today proposed the creation of an Islamic force to help stabilize Iraq and potentially someday replace at least some of the U.S.-led military coalition, according to senior Arab diplomats here.

The Analysis From a Dissident Catholic Democrat
 

Because we won't be able to replicate Justice O'Connor to answer these questions for us, barring further advances involving stem-cell research?

Dead Babies
 

Yes, to flesh out your wholly irrelevant hypo, please add that that, despite the rapist's passionate pleas to abort, she decides to keep it and punish him with 18 years of financial obligation.

Get back to my question. The woman can abort for mere inconvenience. If the man has no say in the matter (which may or may not be fair), then he should not be obligated by the law to have any further financial responsibility.

The Analysis From a Dissident Catholic Democrat
 

Excellent point, seeing as Ron was advocating (without ever actually using the word) human cloning for the basis of embryo creation.

Something that goes far and away beyond the Dem platform position.

Dead Babies
 

When have you ever been unwilling?

Dead Babies
 

My guess is if a man were raped (and could prove it) and a baby were to result, if the rapist went to court asking for child support, the court would not order it. Moreover, if the rapee could prove it, wouldn't the mother be in jail?

This completely ignores the welfare of the child. You are as bad as the pro-choice crowd that ignore the fetus' rights. You know, pregnancy is not just about a mother and a father's rights. There is a fucking child involved.

The Analysis From a Dissident Catholic Democrat
 

You actually appear to have devoted some of your brain's processing capacity to Ron Reagan's speech. I, on the other hand, am too stupid to have the luxury of devoting my scarce resources to such things.

Instead, I will just take Michael Kinsley's word for it that there are hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos that could be used before we have to clone Justice O'Connor for purposes other than the jurisprudential ones I had in mind.

Dead Babies (Not Bob is 900!!!!!)
 

The financial responsibility flows to the child, not the mom. She can abort a fetus for mere inconvenience (since we're assuming no health problems, how late in the pregnancy she can do this varies depending upon the state she goes to for the clinic), but she can't kill the kid after birth for the same reason.

Worried about the hussy hitting you up for dough 9 months later? You can, roughly in order of effectiveness: (1) just say no; (2) exclusively date post-menopausal women; (3) accept only blow jobs and make sure she swallows; (4) get clipped; (5) wear a condom; (6) wear briefs instead of boxers to raise body heat and kill the little suckers before they get out; (7) insist on a "money shot"; (8) cross your fingers; or (9) sue for custody of Slave Junior.