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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-06-2007 03:07 PM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
that is a fine regulation. it doesn't change that there are existing pools with only 1 drain.
large judgments against anyone who has only one drain might help change that.

taxwonk 07-06-2007 03:30 PM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I was pointing to SS's assumption that a company that manufactured a perfectly safe product, that had been misused, was wrong in "only" offering 100K initially. This is a tax on all consumers that increases how much pools/spas cost us so that we can give an out of line windfall to someone who was horribly injured, but not due to the company's negligence.
I don't disagree that there are case out there where somone fucks up, hurts themself, and gets a windfall. So, I don't disagree with your point as a general concept.

I'm also not familiar with the facts of this specific case, so I can't really say one way or another who fucked up here. But I am generally comfortable with the notion that screws don't unscrew themselves. This was a wading pool, so I doun't think one could assume the screws were likely loosened by vibrations, as they might be on a jet, or something that moves, where a person should reasonably be expected to check screws regularly to see that they haven't worked loose.

So, my inclination here is to say it's more likely that someone fucked up, either the maufacturer, the installer, or the club that maintained the pool. Either way, I don't think the kid should bear the burden.

SlaveNoMore 07-06-2007 03:37 PM

Wango Ze Tango
 
Quote:

Gattigap
He's in rare form. One wonders why the WSJ decided to give Ted its platform. Maybe they're preparing themselves for Murdoch's purchase.
Have you ever bothered to read the shills on the NYT payroll?

Gattigap 07-06-2007 03:49 PM

Wango Ze Tango
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Have you ever bothered to read the shills on the NYT payroll?
Not in a couple of years.

Sure, my hemp-fueled drum circle at the coffee shop would read and discuss the best things that Paul Krugman and David Brooks would write that week to bring down the Bush Administration, but when they put it all behind the TimesSelect firewall, Atticus, Ty, GGG, club and I decided that caving in to this brazen act of imperialistic capitalism would not stand, man, not when it exceeds the prices of the half-caf latte.

Hank Chinaski 07-06-2007 04:42 PM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk

So, my inclination here is to say it's more likely that someone fucked up, either the maufacturer, the installer, or the club that maintained the pool. Either way, I don't think the kid should bear the burden.
the manufacturer made a cover that had holes in it for screws, so it did okay. The club likely removed the screws and didn't put them back. I don't have a problem with it being sued, but there wasn't money there for some reason, so Edwards jacked up an innocent company.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-06-2007 05:31 PM

http://www.unfogged.com/mt-static/images/moreyears.gif

SlaveNoMore 07-06-2007 05:36 PM

Darth Nader
 
Quote:

Gattigap
Not in a couple of years.

Sure, my hemp-fueled drum circle at the coffee shop would read and discuss the best things that Paul Krugman and David Brooks would write that week to bring down the Bush Administration, but when they put it all behind the TimesSelect firewall, Atticus, Ty, GGG, club and I decided that caving in to this brazen act of imperialistic capitalism would not stand, man, not when it exceeds the prices of the half-caf latte.
Curses! I always feared Club would embrace the dark side.

Replaced_Texan 07-06-2007 05:38 PM

Darth Nader
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Curses! I always feared Club would embrace the dark side.
At least you have Ted Nugent.

Shape Shifter 07-06-2007 05:53 PM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the manufacturer made a cover that had holes in it for screws, so it did okay. The club likely removed the screws and didn't put them back. I don't have a problem with it being sued, but there wasn't money there for some reason, so Edwards jacked up an innocent company.
Whither summary judgment?

sgtclub 07-06-2007 05:59 PM

Darth Nader
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Curses! I always feared Club would embrace the dark side.
Their coffee is better. What can I say. I'm a caffeine whore.

SlaveNoMore 07-06-2007 06:34 PM

Stranglehold
 
Quote:

Replaced_Texan
At least you have Ted Nugent.
... we'll always have Venison.

Shape Shifter 07-06-2007 06:42 PM

Stranglehold
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
... we'll always have Venison.
You used to have Spanky for that.

Buck 07-06-2007 06:50 PM

Stranglehold
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
... we'll always have Venison.
Carnivorist fuck!

YKW 07-06-2007 08:21 PM

Happy 61, President GW Bush!
 
Happy Happy Birthday President George W. Bush, our nation’s fearless Commander in Chief!!!! And many many more.

In this open and free forum I want to state that I thank G-d everyday that I voted for you. TWICE. And may the Lord take pity on the pathetic socialist loser-haters who you defeated (Gore and Kerry).

Also, let me state here I would gladly see the 22nd Amendment repealed or temporarily suspended by you so that I could happily vote for you again over the likes of a Chi-Com operative like Hillary Clinton or the inexperienced B. Hussien Obama.

Also, further, a big Birthday Thank You! President Bush for:


1. Your swift and decisive response to the horrific act of war on 9/11 and our defensive offensive in the Global War on Terror; and

2. Your deft military leadership as CinC in the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraql and

3. Your unwaivering prosecution of the Global War on Terror, in spite of the cut and run defeatists and the global Euro-socialist appeasers and other Islamofacist supporters who seek our destruction; and

4. Your steadfast leadership of the free world, with your junior partner, the dearly departed Tony Blair, undeterred by roadblocks of hatred as put forth by the cowardly and the bigoted liberals; and

5. Your tax cuts and flawless leadership of our great free market capitalist economic ship; and

6. Your most excellent appointment of two fine conservative scholars to the Supreme Court, who will guaranty that your legacy of right wing leadership carries forward for generations; and

7. Your committed leadership to upstanding and righteous Judeo-Christian values and your example of being a righteous G-d fearing man of Bible; and

8. Your brave life-saving and affirming leadership of the pro-life position in our battle against the culture of death and infanticide of the liberals; and

9. Your courageous pardon of Scooter Libby; and

Finally, I wish to thank my fellow patriots in the Red States of America for having expressed the will of the People (and G-d’s divine wishes) in the only polls that count, the Presidential elections of 2000 and 2004!!!.

Happy birthday, Mr. President! History will record that you were a truly great and inspirational Leader, one of the best Presidents to date!


http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...hNOTWaiver.jpg

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-06-2007 08:23 PM

President Clinton Indeed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by YKW
Also, let me state here I would gladly see the 22nd Amendment repealed or temporarily suspended by you so that I could happily vote for you again over the likes of a Chi-Com operative like Hillary Clinton or the inexperienced B. Hussien Obama.
It looks like we can get bi-partisan support for repealling the 22nd Amendment - let's get to it!

SlaveNoMore 07-06-2007 08:41 PM

What If?
 
Quote:

YKW
And may the Lord take pity on the pathetic socialist loser-haters who you defeated (Gore and Kerry).
Every time I get really down on this POTUS, someone reminds me how much worse it really could be.

YKW 07-06-2007 08:49 PM

What If?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Every time I get really down on this POTUS, someone reminds me how much worse it really could be.

You ain't seen nuthin yet.....


http://clinton-legacy.org/humor/hill...a_sopranos.jpg

LessinSF 07-07-2007 08:59 AM

Bear With Me
 
OK, I've been watching/listening to some of the Live Earth concert slash propaganda and I am left with a question:

What do the"greens" propose be done re energy in Asia?

Fossil fuels are supposedly bad. Coal, which is what Asia burns in quantity is undoubtedly bad. Damming gorges is protested against because animal habitats, ancient small villages, and historical preservation is considered more important than free, clean water power. So, what choices are there? Wonderful as wind power and solar power may someday be, they cannot currently satisfy 3 billion people in Asia.

The only answer is nuclear, but the same morons who clamor for "new policies" can only offer Asia (and its people who want cars, and air conditioning, and Nintendo) pallatives. I have just suffered through hours of inanities about how I can effect climate change. No, China has passed us in greenhous emissions and the discrepancy is only going to grow. The question is how do you prevent 3 billion people in emerging Asian economies from doing what only 200 million Americans did in the last century?

Unless fusion energy works out, there is no answer, other than culling the herd. There is no amount of being "green" that can support a human population (eating well, i.e. no starvation) of 10 billion. It is a closed system. No matter how efficient we get in food production, etc., we are stuck recirculating the same amounts of protein, nitrogen, vitamins, etc. There is a reason tuna are disappearing - they were at sustainable levels when only a couple hundred thousand people ate them - but when sushi becomes popular and attainable to billions, well duh.

So it is either Soylent Green or we need population control. Fuck Until There's A Cure - let the sick die (and stop paying to pretend we can keep them alive) and encourage the intentionally ignorant (smokers, McDonald's eaters) to join them. And, as for crippled children, I support Make A Wish, and I will give you a ticket to a Kansas City Chiefs game if you just fucking die and get off the dole. IQ tests to reproduce. No more tax benefits for children, tax penalties. Inundate Africa and Asia with condoms, secretly covered with sterilizing gel. Ready to eat packs containing sterilizing agents dropped all over the world. And this unconsented to sterilization is justified because we are saving the planet, damnit, Janet.

If you still don't believe I am green, I propose that if you want to by beluga caviar (a disappearing species), you have to take a blind taste test that proves you can tell the difference between oestra, sevruga, and beluga. If you fail, your name goes in a national "Save Mother Earth and All Her wonerful Species" registry, and if you try to buy beluga again, its public evisceration on the rack. Crimes against Earthanity.

LessinSF 07-07-2007 09:06 AM

Bear With Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
My rant
And I forgot to mention that the Eurogreens are against foods that have been engineered to, say, grow in sub-Saharan Africa.

Oh, the hypocracy.

LessinSF 07-07-2007 09:20 AM

Bear With Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
And I forgot to mention that the Eurogreens are against foods that have been engineered to, say, grow in sub-Saharan Africa.

Oh, the hypocracy.
Putting it more succinctly, the profits should go towards developing nuclear energy in developing countries.

But instead it will do as much to prevent 'claimate change" as Farm Aid to help small farmers and Live Aid did to prevent starvation. But I the NGOs need the money, so ...

SlaveNoMore 07-07-2007 02:45 PM

Bear With Me
 
Quote:

LessinSF
The only answer is nuclear, but the same morons who clamor for "new policies" can only offer Asia (and its people who want cars, and air conditioning, and Nintendo) pallatives.
FWIW, during the 5 minutes of that mess that I watched late last night, the drummer from some godawfulband Down Under was wearing a "Just Say No to Nuclear" T-Shirt.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-07-2007 07:01 PM

Interestingly, "more Americans support impeaching Bush now than supported impeaching Clinton when he was actually being impeached." Steve Benen has the polling data.

Hank Chinaski 07-07-2007 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Interestingly, "more Americans support impeaching Bush now than supported impeaching Clinton when he was actually being impeached." Steve Benen has the polling data.
you have your built in loony factor. in February 2001, 30% of America supported impeaching bush. the only bad fact is he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses- I mean unless you can prove up that Hatch act violation.

ltl/fb 07-08-2007 01:14 AM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
As linked on Drudge:
  • Pool Drain Pulls Small Intestine Out Of Young Girl

    Heather Brown
    Reporting

    (WCCO) Minneapolis A 6-year-old Edina, Minn. girl has been hospitalized after a horrific accident at a swimming pool.

    Abigail Taylor was severely injured Friday when she sat over an open drain hole in a wading pool at the Minneapolis Golf Club.

    Now Abigail's father has a warning to other families: Pool and hot tub drain accidents are a hidden danger that many of us don't understand.

    Abigail has big brown eyes, a dazzling smile and at just 6 years old she has already competed in local swim meets.

    "She loves to swim," said her father Scott Taylor.

    Her love of swimming is why her family didn't think twice when she played at a kiddie pool at the family's golf club on Friday night.

    Taylor said as Abigail was getting out of the pool, she fell.

    "She more or less blacked out, she passed out, fell face-first onto the pool decking," he said. The family thought it was a seizure.

    An ambulance rushed her to Children's Hospital in Minneapolis. Several hours later a surgeon said Abigail was lucky to be alive.

    "The suction had caused a two-inch tear in her rectum and had basically disemboweled her by pulling out her small intestines, almost all of it," said Taylor.

    Her father said a search of the pool filter turned up Abigail's intestine. He said Abigail was seriously wounded because the cover of the drain had been removed.

    In most public pools the drain cover is screwed in and cannot be pulled off. According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the pressure on some pool drains can be as strong as 300 pounds per square inch.

    "It never even crosses anybody's mind that potential at the bottom of that pool is enough force to literally disembowel a child, an adult," said Taylor.

    Abigail will have to be fed intravenously for the rest of her life and will have to have a colostomy bag.

    "We view it as a miracle that she's still with us," her father said.

    She is improving. Wednesday morning she stunned her family by asking a question.

    "She said, 'Am I going to be on the news?' She said, 'Why do you ask?' She said, 'Because I want to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else,'" recalled Taylor.

    Since 1990, 170 people, mostly children, have been caught in drains and 27 of them have died. Legislation is pending that would require pools and hot tubs to have multiple drains to ease the suction.

    Some pools have a safety vacuum cutoff which shuts down if someone is trapped. New drain covers which cost less than $50 can also help.

    According to the Associated Press, an official at the golf club expressed sympathy for the family and said he didn't think anything was wrong with the pool, but referred questions to the club's attorney, who declined to comment.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_185085504.html

If ever there was a need for trial lawyers, it would be to address cases like this.
So at the hot sulfur springs I was at this weekend, the drain-y things were not that strong. But the one that was really truly strictly for 2 people only, the water went out over a little stone waterfall, into the 85 degree duckpond. It was AWESOME, other than the smelling like egg afterwards.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-08-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you have your built in loony factor. in February 2001, 30% of America supported impeaching bush. the only bad fact is he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses- I mean unless you can prove up that Hatch act violation.
Likewise, his approval ratings still stand around 30% in July 2007.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-08-2007 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
in February 2001, 30% of America supported impeaching bush.
I don't think that's true. For one, 9/11 changed everything. Don't ever forget that.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-08-2007 06:57 PM

This Is Horrible
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Hey, I miss lawn darts as much as the next guy, but I don't see anything haywired in this case.

eta: If the settlement was so outrageous, how come little kids' bloody guts are still being fished out of pool filters?
They should take tort cases away from juries and give them to groups of randomly chosen professionals. Juries are too stupid to get past emotion.

I say this as a person who has written expert reports which caused large settlements which were filled with fucking lies. I played semantic games and caused people to lose lots of money when we really honestly did not have a case. The experts never balked. They alsmost always play ball. Only three or four have ever complained and said they wouldn't go along with some sort of hiding of the truth effected by a little tweaking of important verbiage.

Nothing like getting seven figures for a pile of shit a lawyer with no skills in science or accounting made up. Google's pretty amazing. You know how loose and screwy I can be here? You can serve my least coherent drivel to the average imbecile on a Philadelphia jury and he wouldn't know better.

In fairness, I did it from the defense and plaintiff's side. I've always got my Nuremberg Defense. Just following some shyster's orders.

It's sleazy. It's all fucking sleazy. And John Edwards is pond scum.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-08-2007 07:03 PM

Bear With Me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
FWIW, during the 5 minutes of that mess that I watched late last night, the drummer from some godawfulband Down Under was wearing a "Just Say No to Nuclear" T-Shirt.
Sid Bass is financing a venture with the Chris Craft to roll out "Land Boats." It's a car that uses sails, like a boat.

www.landboats.com

Definitely NSFW.

ltl/fb 07-08-2007 11:12 PM

x-post
 
So, the music at the fireworks I went to on the 4th included "Born in the USA" which as we know is not actually a very the-USA-is-supreme-in-all-the-world song. As you may or may not recall, the basic structure of the song is 4 lines, chorus, 4 lines, chorus, etc. Except, in this iteration, it went straight from chorus to "Got in a little hometown jam/So they put a rifle in my hand" to chorus. And that's only 2 lines.

Yeah, they actually cut out the lines "Sent me off to a foreign land/To go and kill the yellow man."

Which I thought was "fellow man" but my BFF corrected me.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Interestingly, "more Americans support impeaching Bush now than supported impeaching Clinton when he was actually being impeached." Steve Benen has the polling data.
If we impeached both of them at the same time, would we have President Pelosi?

YKW 07-09-2007 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
If we impeached both of them at the same time, would we have President Pelosi?
Fast forward to Jan 2009, perhaps al-Qaeda dupe, the traitor Sheehan?

http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.co...ehan-shirt.jpg

Tyrone Slothrop 07-09-2007 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
If we impeached both of them at the same time, would we have President Pelosi?
Recognizing that we are now exploring the land of the speculative and improbable, the way to get the GOP votes necessary to make that happen would be for Democrats in the chain of succession to step out of the way so that Secretary of State Rice would become the President.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2007 03:33 PM

Pink Pistol Lesbian Gangs Taking Over!
 
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.c...aking_over.php

Tyrone Slothrop 07-09-2007 03:50 PM

Staying classy, all the way down.
 
Ramesh Ponnuru finds Robert Novak reporting that the Bush Administration is preparing to blame the military for Iraq.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2007 03:58 PM

Staying classy, all the way down.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ramesh Ponnuru finds Robert Novak reporting that the Bush Administration is preparing to blame the military for Iraq.
Is it just you, me, and a lesser penske sock?

YKW 07-09-2007 04:41 PM

Staying classy, all the way down.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Is it just you, me, and a lesser penske sock?
I am not penske, but I do post under other monikers. On infirmation.com i was indy et al. fyi.

YKW 07-09-2007 04:44 PM

Dear Pelosi, No good deed goes unpunished.....
 
Run, Cindy Sheehan, Run!

The ...left in America and Europe has an underlying craziness for which I am deeply thankful.

..That's what makes Cindy Sheehan and others on the ...left such crackpots.

Ordinarily I'd laugh off Cindy Sheehan's threat to take on Pelosi, but Pelosi represents the San Francisco area and there are just enough kooks in that district [hi Ty!] who might make Sheehan a serious candidate. I'd like to see Sheehan use some of her trademark bile on Pelosi. It's my favorite kind of brawl: the left vs. the far left. Run, Cindy, run!




http://lrllamas.com/cindy_sheehan.jpg

YKW 07-09-2007 04:47 PM

YUK!
 
Where is his hand?

http://www.exposetheleft.com/images/cindyarrest.jpg

Tyrone Slothrop 07-09-2007 04:56 PM

Dear Pelosi, No good deed goes unpunished.....
 
Hi!

Hank Chinaski 07-09-2007 05:02 PM

Staying classy, all the way down.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Is it just you, me, and a lesser penske sock?
i actually think it's someone like ggg. but your realization simply confirms my prediction- Hank 345-21


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