Spreading that Democracy
 

And the Spice Girls.

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I believe someone is mocking me. However, I know I am a naive irrational moron, but I believe in the above statement. However, most of these occupants at Gitmo have been trampling on other peoples rights (most particularly their right to life) and thus they have sacrificed their own rights. However, contrary to popular belief, I am not a big fan of torturing people (unless of course it is to promote free markets). So unless these people have one hell of a justification for treating the prisoners the way the FBI agent reported they did, they should be locked up also. Anyone that tortures people just for Kicks and Giggles, even if the victimes are terrorists, I don't want them walking the streets anywhere in the world even if they watch baseball, are apple pie and cornfed and are from America's heartland. I am also concerned about innocent people being held at Gitmo (people evening tribal scores etc) and don't think it is too much to ask for them to tell us what measures they have taken not to detain the innocent.

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No, I was responding to something Burger said.

Think about the word "inalienable."

I thought you tended toward the anti-torture faction on this board.

That's guilty! Guilty, guilty, guilty!
 

Ex-Tyco execs Kozloski and Schwartz found guilty.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/17/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes

Here's hoping they rot in jail for a long, long time. And that they soon are joined by their Enron counterparts.

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You're mocking spanky, right?

We've had this debate before, so let's move past that.

I said somewhat undermined for a reason, which is that it's pretty cheeky for the tortured to be complaining about rights they themselves would likely not honor. There are plenty of reasons to honor those rights, inalienable or not, such as being a model of democracy. But that doesn't seem to be the main argument being made (or maybe it is, but it's not the only one).

That's guilty! Guilty, guilty, guilty!
 

Can we set up that statue to piss champagne on them and their bibles?

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Who cares what they're arguing?

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I think you are implying that because they are inalienable they cannot be taken away. But however, I don't believe that is correct.

Black's law Dictionary: "the characteristic of those things which cannot be bought sold or transferred from one person to another, such as rivers and public highways, and certain personal rights."

Although you cannot sell or transfer your rights the government can take them away under certain circumstances (of course under the due process of law). Or did you think that Thomas Jefferson was against the death penalty and incarcerating criminals?


It was a pathetic attempt at a joke.

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jus tertii?

Spreading that Democracy
 

Oh god. He's catching on. A few more days and he's not going to be able to touch unicorns anymore.

Boy, just listen to this ol' scraggly-ass talkin' to us.

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I think you are confusing the extent of the right with whether it can be taking away. E.g., a libel action is not an infringement on your right to free speech because that right does not let you say just anything.

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I don't think so. I would say putting somebody to death is definitely an infringement on their right to life. Being incarcerated is an infringement on all sorts of rights.

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Much as the right to free speech does not let you say just anything, no one has ever thought that a "right to life" is violated if, e.g., someone kills you in self-defense.

paging Lactation Lover
 

Looks like the Democrats have found some creative ways to get people to tune into the hearing on the Downing Street Memos:

http://www.wonkette.com/images/nip%20slip.jpg