You can't spell "HypocRite" without an "R"
 

Hmmm, interesting. How is this for hypocrisy:

On January 27, 1998, then self-declared co-President and current Senator and Democrat Party Presidential Candidate Hillary was on the Today Show and had the following exchange with Today Show host Matt Lauer:

MATT LAUER: Let me take you and your husband out of this for a second -- Bill and Hillary aren't involved in this story: If an American president had an adulterous liaison in the White House and lied to cover it up, should the American people ask for his resignation?

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, they should certainly be concerned about it.

LAUER: Should they ask for his resignation?

CLINTON: Well, I think -- if all that were proven true, I think that would be a very serious offense. That is not going to be proven true.

A very serious offense indeed. Taking her at word, as then co-President of the USA and a member of the bar of Arkansas, where was she in publicly advocating for the commensurate serious consequences for such serious offense??? Did she actively support the righteous impeachment of her perjurious co-President.

Hypocrisy indeed. Thy name is the Democrats!

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I agree, except for your choice of "strong moralistic bent to politics," which I think is better written as "deeply confused, hypocritical, infantile and delusional McMorality."

You can't spell "HypocRite" without an "R"
 

While you are busy beating up on Hillary for forgiving her husband, you may want to peruse this lovely sentiment from Vitter's wife:

"I’m a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary," Wendy Vitter told Newhouse News. "If he does something like that, I’m walking away with one thing, and it’s not alimony, trust me."

I think the woman has spunk. Maybe she can take his seat (and I suggest this entirely in the spirit of bipartisanship).

Democrats: the Sex Party
 

You may want to subscribe your wife to my newsletter. Just saying...

children should be seen and not heard, which is also why the infantile whiners in the Democrat party should STFU!

You can't spell "HypocRite" without an "R"
 

So you are applauding the threat of vigilante justice? Just like your pals the Clintons, no respect for the rule of law.

Are you really a lawyer?

Why get riled, indeed?
 

Hi.

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Agree 100%. I'll also take it a step further. The whole traditional whooing process is a form of the same transaction. It used to make sense and was more of a bargained for exchange when there was actually a dowry at the end of the line. But somewhere along the way our forefathers fucked that one up.

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Whoa. You didn't get a dowry?

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We are all naught but thieves and whores. The game is figuring who is who.

Democrats: the Sex Party
 

You are aware it's written in Urdu?

You can't spell "HypocRite" without an "R"
 

That would be walking away with two things.

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I believe you mean "wooing." "Whooing" is what owls do when they want to get laid and it seldom costs them more than a dead mouse.

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Well, I think also that there's also the notion that the transaction is not necessarily on equal footing for all participants. I generally don't have a problem with sex workers getting legitimacy, but I do have a problem with the sexual and monetary explotation of women, men and children by third party brokers. For whatever it's worth, most women searching for weathly husbands go into the deal on their own terms and generally reap the rewards for themselves. That's not necessarily the case for most prostitutes.

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What process are you talking about? With the exception of some first generation Americans of Indian descent*, I don't know anyone whose parents were involved in the engagment. Nor do I know many people who didn't first live together before they got married or whose parents paid for the bulk of the wedding.

Are you just talking about an egagement ring?

*and I'm actually pretty sure a dowry was involved in those marriages.

cognitive dissonance
 

Please. In the GOP, restrictive rules on social issues are for people without money. That's the way it always has been, and always will be, so to people like sebby, that distinction is meaningless. Until some modern-day Savonarola that he helped create burns his last Dead bootlegs and pours his personal supply of Bookers down the gutter, sebby is perfectly happy to trade your right to watch smutty movies in a hotel for a few dollars worth of tax breaks.

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Those risks are easily legislated away.

I'd go it one step further on those laws... I'd allow people to walk away from marriages without having to pay any alimony or settelement save child support if they can prove the spouse entered the marriage (a) just because he or she desperately wanted to be married or wanted a child or (b) for any sort of economic gain. They'd call it a "marrying for illegitimate reasons" law.

I say this as someone who just heard a really bad story from a close friend who got raked over the coals for a barrel of cash by a really, really shitty person. The divorce laws are really, really fucked up. He's a prince. I'd have trashed every bit of property and gutted every bank account and shipped the money to the Caymans before I'd give it up the way this guy did.

What the hell is the matter with some people? Didn't everyone's parents at least try to impart principles of deceny into their kids?

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For the sake of argument, would that be true if it were legal? How much of the exploitation of prostitutes comes from needing a pimp for protection in a black-market transaction?

cognitive dissonance
 

I've never taken that position. Your party simply makes it impossible to vote for it. If your party would get its fucking head out of its ass and stop tying social liberties to liberal taxation and spending you'd have had my vote long ago.

And its pretty childish to suggest the connection between my self interest and your or my or GGG's ability to get PPV porn. I assume its a joke, but to the extent there's any real sentiment in that, lighten up, Chicken Little. Oh, and BTW, remember - you're rich. The rules don't apply to you anyway.

Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States.
 

Now, to get myself back on RT's right side, here's George Bush on health care:

• "I mean, people have access to health care in America," he said. "After all, you just go to an emergency room."

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That's not a for-sake-of-argument thing. That's a very concrete point. You're dead right. If it's legal, there are a lot less pimps and women who choose the field could get a lot more of their wages. Though, I guess when you remove the cost of pimps, there'd be a short race-to-the-basement price war. Still, like anything else, cream would rise and the most attractive and cleanest would probably command highest rates. In a lot of regards, keeping it illegal is doing a terrible disservice to prostitutes because it hurts their bottom line and discourages them from taking steps to make themselves more attractive and disease free (health care and beauty costs, etc.), which would benefit them economically and from a health perspective.

Democrats: the Sex Party
 

As long as its got pictures...

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you toiled in biglaw and you can still type this out? be ashamed.

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Strip clubs and porn are legal. I've read a lot on the subject and it's not all roses and sunshine and buckets of cash for all the strippers and porn starlets out there. And one of my ex-boyfriends has been, at various points in time, a bouncer in a strip club and a part time porn producer. He did not recommend the sex trade as a good career path based on his experience working with sex workers. I consider a lot of former strippers to be friends. None of them got rich off of it.

I'm not saying that I object wholeheartedly to legitimizing sex workers, but I find in a lot of discussions about the subject, most people think in terms of the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas or Amsterdam and forget all about Monster and Bangkok.

Then again, Hustle & Flow got a lot of raves, so maybe people do remember and just don't care.

(Books on the shelf right next to me: Memoirs of a Sex Industry Survivor, by Anne Bissell, Bare: The Naked Truth About Stripping, by Elizabeth Eaves, A Mind of Its Own: A Cultural History of the Penis, by David M. Friedman, Obscene Profits: Entrepreneurs of Pornography in the Cyber Age, by Frederick Lane, Ivy League Stripper by Heidi Mattson, The Other Hollywood: The Uncensored Oral History of the Porn Film Industry by Legs McNeil and Jennifer Osborne, A History of the Wife, by Marilyn Yalom. I lent Strip City: A Stripper's Farewell Journey Across America by Lily Burana to someone and I'm not sure what happened to it, and I've read quite a few others on the same subject. I should have been a researcher at the Kinsey Institute. There's good and there's bad. I'm not quite sure I give a shit about the consumer, but I care quite a lot about the ultimate service provider.)

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this is really long and hard to concentrate through. can't you post some visuals?

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The dating process.

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I'm sorry but looking at these i don't get a palpable sense of exploitation. maybe some other picture better convey the emotion?

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You're dating the wrong women.

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You're dating the wrong woman.

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i was asking out the right one, but now I'm on ignore :( :(

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Okay, so one of the disqualifiers would be if someone got married because she or he desperately wanted to be married. First of all, that's hilarious as a legal standard. Second, WTF? Chick stays home, raises kids and puts hubby through law school and needs alimony to go back to school and stuff? Well, it turns out back then she desparately wanted to get married and raise kids, so she gets nothing, not even temporary alimony to go back to school. Anyhow, proposing a "wanted to get married and have kids desparately" standard is Aren't you a litigator? Jeesh.

As for disqualifying based on "marrying for any sort of economic gain", what happened to your being okay with a rich, fat, bald investment banker who marries a hot chick and he gets to have her "lie under him" and she gets his money? Rich fat bald guy should know enough to get a prenup. Fuck him.

Finally, about that friend who was "raked over the coals": don't assume he's a "prince" and that there isn't another side to the story.

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just fyi on basic board rules- you don't get a win count for showing some sebby post was a bit overstated.

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Really? When was the last time you went out with a guy and expected to pay? Fuck that, when was the last time you went out?

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I don't think making prostitution a legal form of employment (and hence, a potential career choice for any girl or boy turning 18) is a good idea at all. The "happy hooker" schtick is a myth. Even if it's legal, there will still be a big structure built around it with profits for others and the sex workers won't end up with much financial or other power. Union concepts aren't going to work here. And the power structure will prey on the vulnerable to suck them in. For most, prostitution is not going to be liberating like it was for Belle de Jour.

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This should be fun.

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i got her some dates, and expected to be paid for the service, but she wouldn't follow through.

When it rains.
 

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About a month ago, and he made far less money than I do, and I paid for myself. The guy pays on the first date; after that it's more 50/50 or ability to pay. I guess that ability to pay for nice dates is one way to assess whether a guy is a good bet in terms of stability etc. but, hell, I'm never going to be a stay-at-home mom, so to me financial responsibility is more important than financial plenty.

Hot damn, you are an asshole aspirant.

I have had friends who have regarded dates with guys they weren't interested in as "free nice dinner" or who wouldn't "date a guy whose car isn't as nice as mine." To me, that's bullshit.

When it rains.
 

Now we know what that call was about today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/12/us...gewanted=print