Is this true: Ann Coulter claims.....
 

I think you are wrong here. Not sure but pretty sure. In Das Kapital I think Marx pointed out that an intellectual elite would have to represent the workers interest. How else woud a dictatorship of the proletariate work?



Yes true communism was never achived, because true communism mean not government. But where I think we might disagree is I am pretty sure every communist believed that you need to move through a dicatorship of the proletariate (and had to discard liberal democracy) to get there.



I had heard the corruption refrain about other precommunist government but never Karensky's government. The only thing Lenin improved was he got out of the war (of course giving up the entire Ukraine to do it) but besides that everything got worse for the Russians after the Bolshevik takeover. Massive famines, outbreak of disease, massive executions, labour camps etc.


I like that: Temporal Chavinism. But these people were promoting the idea of ending democracy. Throwing away the Bill of Rights. Destroying the American system of government. I don't care when it occurred, it was wrong and dangerous. I don't give Washington and Jefferson a walk on Slavery and I don't give these people a walk because there were plenty of people who did not fall for this B.S. If you flirt with throwing away the US constitution and ending civil liberties, don't expect society to welcom you with open arms.

Me. Yup, I'd have a problem. Heck, I'm a huge Bobby Kennedy fan, and I think that he was unfair to Jimmy Hoffa when he was a senate staffer.

Ok that is fair.

What about somone firing Lindberg for having Nazi sympathys?

BTW: I think both Lindberg, Joseph Kennedy et. al. were fascist anti-semetic pigs, and I wish they were brought before a congressional committee. Hitler clearly laid out his plans for the world and even America in Mein Kempf, so it is not like they could claim they didn't really know what the Nazi's stood for.

Murtha
 

I had a hard run, runnin' from my campaign promises.
I had a hard warring, warring, Lord I wonder if you care,
I had a run in, run around, and run down.
Run around the corner, corner, Lord run smack into Saddam.

I had to delude, really had to de-lude,
That's why if you please, find me some WMDs,
Murtha don't you come around here anymore.

Dressed myself in a flak suit, I went down unto the sea.
Didn't try to see what's goin' down, didn't try to read between the lines.
I had a feelin' I was god's messenger messenger messenger,
I turned around to see,
Heard a voice al callin', Lord you was speaking right to me.

I had to delude, really had to de-lude,
That's why if you please, kill Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,
Murtha don't you come around here anymore.

Murtha
 

Please. We have to finish with the battles of 50 years ago before we can turn to today's.

Absent without permission.
 

Where the hell is Penske? I was going to give him a pass but it has been too long.

I think because Ty was gone so long he thinks he can take a break also. Ty you set a bad example and now look at what has happaned. People think they can get away with anything.

From now on Hank, Penske and Bilmore are not allowed to leave unless I give them permission.

Someone else needs to worry about the left. Ty?

Exhuming McCarthy
 

My comment was referred to McCarthy's grabbing of the reins. I didn't mean to imply McCarthy was the beginning of the Red Scare. And Spanky's ride on this pony apparently proves that McCarthy's downfall didn't end it, either.

Is this true: Ann Coulter claims.....
 

For the most part, the American intelligentsia's flrtation with communism ended in the 30's as they began to realize the violence and totalitarian aspect of communism in practice.

Depends. I would have a problem with him being canned by Pan Am (or whichever airline he was a consultant for) 20 years after the fact, based upon a threat to Pan Am of an economic boycott made by a group of anti-Nazis in charge of vetting airline executives. I would not have a problem with them canning him at the time because of his pro-Hitler comments.

eta: The distinction, I think, is that a blacklist takes the decision away from the employer. It isn't CBS firing Faulk because they don't like his politics, it's CBS doing it because they feared the loss of sponsors, who in turn feared the boycotts of AWARE's backers and of being accused of "funding communist propaganda."

I have no problem with this. In fact I wished it had happened. I have no problem with economic boycotts.

These Nazi sympathysers were just same as the communists. They knew exactly what the Nazi's stood for. All this stuff about them just respecting the economic recovery and law and order was and is B.S. They knew exactly the Nazis were antidemocratic and racist. Every reference to Lindburg in any history book should also reference the fact that he was in favor of throwing away the constitution by taking away the civil liberties of people he thought were subhuman (I don't care how many oceans he flew over).

BTW: Fascists and Communists are miles apart from Socialists. There is a huge massive step between wanting to implement a political ideology while still retaining individual liberties and wanting to scrap individual liberties.

You are now directly contradicting Not Bob, so I will leave the two of you to sort this out.

ETA: STP.

I admitted that I wore their armband. I didn't "work for them."

You are truly evil.

This is the quote I posted:

"since Mr. Welch has such terror and such a great desire to know where anyone is located who may be serving the Communist cause....we should just call to your attention that your Mr. Fischer, who is still in your law firm today, whom you asked to have down here looking over the secret and classified material, is a member of an organization, not named by me but named by the Attorney General, I quote this verbatim, "as the legal bulwark of the Communist Party.' He belonged to that for a sizable number of years, according to his own admission, and he belonged to it long after it had been exposed as the legal arm of the Communist Party."


In this quote I believe McCarthy just states facts. Do I have the quote wrong? If this quote is correct are their factual errors in it?
Bob?

You lent to them your moral imprimatur, your reputation, your support, your standing in the community . . . Worth far more than a few hours stuffing envelopes, I would imagine. There are no innocents in this.

He would have been 80 years old yesterday.