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What weapons?

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What weapons?

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It's your dissent that needs to be objectively reasonable. You're objecting that he took action when almost everyone around was convinced that Saddam had WMDs, and the price of NOT taking that action if he actually had them would have been horrific, for someone. Maybe even us. To not act in that situation would have been grossly negligent. As it is, the downside is that millions will not be killed by Saddam, the middle east may well become more stable (heck, look what's happened just since SH no longer pays islamikazee families the death bounty) and AQ has lost a financing and support base.

I think we got the right deal.

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On what planet? On planet earth, when using the English language a lie requires intent. It requires belief. That belief does not have to be reasonable. If Clinton believed that he really did not have sex with that women then Clinton did not lie. But nobody believes that he really thought he did not have sex with her.

But if you believe that Bush thought Iraq had WMDS then you don't think he did lie - no matter how unreasonable you think his thinking was.

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Boy, do you read things from an uninformed base. I thought this was very cool - probably the most hopeful sign that the various factions are really going to work together to build something. For the majority to actually try to assuage the Sunni's like this means, to me, that they're seriously going to bargain with them, instead of telling them to go blow, which would, of course, lead to the feared civil war and make the whole thing a mess.

You should study the country a bit. Your posts would sound more . . . sound, I guess.

BTW, note the absence of a deadline in that resolution. If pressed, my guess is that they would pick a date in late 2006 or early 2007.

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I believe what he said was that acting on incorrect information when you are aware that the information is most likely no longer correct is the functional equivalent of a lie.

To put it into an age-appropriate context, you now know the Earth isn't really flat. So, to repeat the advice you gave to Columbus a few years back would be less than honest of you.

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Begone. You're a sloganeering idjit. Go watch a Michael Moore movie.

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I don't think he had factual information that would contradict the years-old CW. He had new analyses from sources he didn't much trust.

Face it - had Bush really believed there were none, there's no way he would fake it to this extent. Better info is always down the road a bit, and people historically tell what they spoke to the Prez about later. It would be a guaranteed loser for him to do that.

Make allegations of negligence. I can see that as an honorable, and supportable, position. But this "lie" crap is just that - partisan crap that just makes you all (meaning, those of you still parroting it) look stupid and venal.

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Bush believed there were weapons of mass destruction. He tried to convince the public of that. Just because he did not use facts that didn't support his position does not mean that he lied. If we are in a argument and I don't use facts that support you position does that make me a liar: no.

What is so perplexing about this is I wouldn't really care if he did lie. It doesn't really matter. Therefore, if he had lied I would admit it. But he didn't lie. It just blows me away that the opposition is focusing on something that didn't occur. Why not focus on the mistake?

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And your a partisan suck-up with your tongue so firmly up W's anus that you can't see the world around you. Fuck off until you quit viewing the world through Rove-colored glasses.

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Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing /'lI-i[ng]/
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I believe he had reason to believe there weren't. He didn't particularly care. He had made up his mind and he refused to discuss or consider any input that contradicted his chosen course.

I'm not sure whether he is so deluded that he was actually incapable of processing the negative information or he is so arrogant that he believes he can simply ignore it.

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2. I keep trying to say stuff like this but you always seem to sum it up better.

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Dissent. Strong dissent. The value of the goal notwithstanding, honor means something. Bush has given scant cause for worry about his honor, and there's no need to even concede what you do here.

As soon as you say "it doesn't matter anyway", you've given the shape shifters of the world another slogan for a year or two. It doesn't matter if it's substantive. Idiots will latch on to it, and it's not worth it.

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Doesn't rhyme as well.

"Bush was negligent! People ... the war was a improper allocation of blood and treasure!"

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Ah, you've been reading my "spend like a drunken sailor" rants, haven't you?

God, you can't even insult without resort to overbroad inaccurate MoveOn.BS