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ltl/fb 01-31-2005 01:49 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Why do you equate "poverty" with "life of crme"? I grew up in comparative poverty, as did many of my friends. I never mugged or shot or raped anyone.
If you have absolutely no employment and no unemployment compensation, it's not comparative poverty, babydoll. It's no money at all. So I'm assuming you are stealing food, at least. And probably are camped out on someone else's private property, interfering with their all-important property rights.

ETA shot? raped? mugged? Geez, you are violent today. I meant, stealing food and camping on private property. Or is taking the rightful property of another OK? I thought that was communism??

Hank Chinaski 01-31-2005 01:49 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I dunno. It seems a little more icky. Fucking, let alone blowing, an old stinky unshowered man is way grosser than cleaning a sewer in appropriate protective clothing.
Oh, dearest. Don't you worry! The mandatory minimum wage would make you unfit to fill the job.

ltl/fb 01-31-2005 01:50 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Have you told the Doctor about this fantasy?
Watching the libertarians find out what it's really like to be poor and have no choices and no protection of society? No. But I think s/he'd sympathize.

bilmore 01-31-2005 01:55 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
If you have absolutely no employment and no unemployment compensation, it's not comparative poverty, babydoll. It's no money at all. So I'm assuming you are stealing food, at least. And probably are camped out on someone else's private property, interfering with their all-important property rights.
Aside from living with friends and relatives for months at a time and eating their food and borrowing money during times of extended parental non-employment, I don't remember any of this stealing shit of which you speak. Wish I would have known back then that there was a direct cause-and-effect relationship. We could've lived a lot nicer.

ltl/fb 01-31-2005 02:00 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Aside from living with friends and relatives for months at a time and eating their food and borrowing money during times of extended parental non-employment, I don't remember any of this stealing shit of which you speak. Wish I would have known back then that there was a direct cause-and-effect relationship. We could've lived a lot nicer.
Assume no friends or family -- after all not all of us have family, and some people run out of solvent friends after a while. Where are you getting your food/shelter?

ETA I am oot, at least briefly, because some Canadian is aboot to boot me in the ass if I don't finish commenting on something toot sweet. So failure to reply is not lack of an answer.

sgtclub 01-31-2005 02:16 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I am not a fan of that spelling, particularly for the verb form. Bilmore does not appear to be either.
I'm going to use that excuse next time I misspell something, which should be soon given my track record.

Shape Shifter 01-31-2005 02:18 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm going to use that excuse next time I misspell something, which should be soon given my track record.
Since you're being a timmy, go back and change "its" to "it's" on your previous post. For the longest time, I thought you were talking about W or Fox News or something.

sgtclub 01-31-2005 03:04 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Since you're being a timmy, go back and change "its" to "it's" on your previous post.
I'm not a fan of that spelling

ltl/fb 01-31-2005 03:12 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not a fan of that spelling
Confidential to club: This only works if the spelling you are not a fan of is a disfavored spelling and/or does not appear in, say, dictionaries.

Shape Shifter 01-31-2005 03:13 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Confidential to club: This only works if the spelling you are not a fan of is a disfavored spelling and/or does not appear in, say, dictionaries.
I can't figure out if he's talking about Tori or Aaron.

bilmore 01-31-2005 03:32 PM

Question for the libertarians
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I can't figure out if he's talking about Tori or Aaron.
Toss-up. I'm guessing Tori says "cum", while Aaron would use the less cutting-edge "come".

sgtclub 01-31-2005 04:09 PM

What Ever Happened to "Never Again"?
 
Quote:

ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) - Sudan's foreign minister said Monday a U.N. report concluded that no genocide was committed in his country's Darfur region, where tens of thousands of civilians have died in a nearly two-year crisis
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050131/D87V6SE00.html

Shape Shifter 01-31-2005 05:30 PM

Super Bowl - a look back
 
The Smoking Gun has collected some of the more interesting complaints about last year's Super Bowl halftime show. Good stuff.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1228041fcc1.html

How did #8 forget to include Fox?

Tyrone Slothrop 01-31-2005 05:42 PM

A blast from the past.
 
From the September 3, 1967, New York Times:
  • U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote
    Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror


    by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 3-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

    According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

    ....A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February.

    The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta.

Drum

Hank Chinaski 01-31-2005 06:19 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From the September 3, 1967, New York Times:
  • U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote
    Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror


    by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 3-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

    According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

    ....A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February.

    The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta.

Drum
Bush led.

People voted.

Slave Once Again 01-31-2005 06:20 PM

The Red States of America
 
We won, you lost, put a sock in it you commie liberal bastards!

Shape Shifter 01-31-2005 06:23 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Bush led.

People voted.
Wasn't the official turnout 99% in the previous Iraqi regime?

Hank Chinaski 01-31-2005 06:25 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Wasn't the official turnout 99% in the previous Iraqi regime?
Wasn't mine a good bumper sticker? I just thought it up driving home in my new SUV. Maybe I'll make some and sell them.

Oh. and I saw a good one the other day that I hadn't seen before.
Make W an X

bilmore 01-31-2005 06:53 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From the September 3, 1967, New York Times:
[list]
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote
Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror


by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times
Poor Kevin.

He was getting to be so . . . even-handed, and thoughtful for a while there. He would make intelligent posts about well-thought-out points.

And now he's doing cartoons.

(I note that he's carefully (for the last twenty-four hours) avoiding saying bad things about the election that everyone poo-poohed for weeks earlier, but he's making sure he throws enough snide, but oblique, stuff in to save his cred with the hard-corp DU'ers. I think it's called reinsurance.)

Hank Chinaski 01-31-2005 06:59 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Poor Kevin.

He was getting to be so . . . even-handed, and thoughtful for a while there. He would make intelligent posts about well-thought-out points.

And now he's doing cartoons.

(I note that he's carefully (for the last twenty-four hours) avoiding saying bad things about the election that everyone poo-poohed for weeks earlier, but he's making sure he throws enough snide, but oblique, stuff in to save his cred with the hard-corp DU'ers. I think it's called reinsurance.)
The Du'ers are scared that good might actually happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x3029263

Read this, it's incredible. Kerry with his, "yeah but..." on the vote? If the election were held today he loses Michigan over that. The Arab vote was not heavy either way. With that shit he gets 10% of it. I just want Pelosi or someone to quote Ty's article! after midterms I bet I can get a Judge postion. Hell, Fluffy will be acceptable to the Senate in 2007.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-31-2005 07:10 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Poor Kevin.

He was getting to be so . . . even-handed, and thoughtful for a while there. He would make intelligent posts about well-thought-out points.

And now he's doing cartoons.

(I note that he's carefully (for the last twenty-four hours) avoiding saying bad things about the election that everyone poo-poohed for weeks earlier, but he's making sure he throws enough snide, but oblique, stuff in to save his cred with the hard-corp DU'ers. I think it's called reinsurance.)
Come to think of it, that whole Vietnam thing would have worked out if the New York Times and the rest of the liberal media hadn't been so defeatist. All we need to do is think happy thoughts, and everything will be OK.

bilmore 01-31-2005 07:13 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Come to think of it, that whole Vietnam thing would have worked out if the New York Times and the rest of the liberal media hadn't been so defeatist.
What scares me here is that you, an above-average-intelligence, well-informed professional, typed that out with a chuckle.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-31-2005 07:21 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
What scares me here is that you, an above-average-intelligence, well-informed professional, typed that out with a chuckle.
I really don't believe that you're scared of much of anything. And that scares me.

bilmore 01-31-2005 07:24 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I really don't believe that you're scared of much of anything. And that scares me.
Falling bond prices terrify me.

Replaced_Texan 01-31-2005 07:52 PM

I could have told you this without conducting the study
 
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nence_texas_dc

Quote:

Texas Teens Increased Sex After Abstinence Program

2 hours, 7 minutes ago Health - Reuters

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Abstinence-only sex education programs, a major plank in President Bush (news - web sites)'s education plan, have had no impact on teenagers' behavior in his home state of Texas, according to a new study.

Despite taking courses emphasizing abstinence-only themes, teenagers in 29 high schools became increasingly sexually active, mirroring the overall state trends, according to the study conducted by researchers at Texas A&M University.

"We didn't see any strong indications that these programs were having an impact in the direction desired," said Dr. Buzz Pruitt, who directed the study.

The study was delivered to the Texas Department of State Health Services, which commissioned it.

The federal government is expected to spend about $130 million to fund programs advocating abstinence in 2005, despite a lack of evidence that they work, Pruitt said.

Of course, they'll go ahead and commission the abstinance programs anyways, and then claim that we Dems are the ones that don't know how to use government dollars on domestic programs wisely.

Shape Shifter 01-31-2005 08:04 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Falling bond prices terrify me.
I would have thought you'd view that as a positive thing.

[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=denture+bond/v=2/SID=w/l=IVS/SIG=1346gelno/EXP=1107302727/*-http%3A//a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/15645/200.jpg[/IMG]

bilmore 02-01-2005 12:26 AM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I would have thought you'd view that as a positive thing.

[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=denture+bond/v=2/SID=w/l=IVS/SIG=1346gelno/EXP=1107302727/*-http%3A//a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/15645/200.jpg[/IMG]
I don't get it.

bilmore 02-01-2005 12:29 AM

Kerry finally admits
 
see the transcript this week?

"MR. RUSSERT: And you have a hat that the CIA agent gave you?

SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, "I'm the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia." We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that's what we did. So, you know, the two were jumbled together, but we were on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve, absolutely."


Um, the Khmer Rouge was the other side, you fucking nitwit. If you're gonna make up shit, at least get the right side of the damn war.

Say_hello_for_me 02-01-2005 12:51 AM

Kerry finally admits
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
see the transcript this week?

"MR. RUSSERT: And you have a hat that the CIA agent gave you?

SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, "I'm the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia." We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that's what we did. So, you know, the two were jumbled together, but we were on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve, absolutely."


Um, the Khmer Rouge was the other side, you fucking nitwit. If you're gonna make up shit, at least get the right side of the damn war.
I gotta wonder, is it possible that Kerry was delivering AKs to Bubba on that mission? I think the Khmer Rouge were allied with China at the time. This is sooo all coming together now.

bilmore 02-01-2005 01:10 AM

Kerry's latest Old Europe seduction:

"Throughout Europe, as I met with European leaders, it's clear that they're prepared to do more, but the [Bush] administration has not put the structure together for people to be able to do it," he said."

"Structure"? What, they don't know where to send the checks? I can give them an address, if they're confused.

Oh, wait . . "structure"! They want to know when they can resume buying below-wholesale oil! Damn, they just need to speak more clearly.

Gattigap 02-01-2005 11:54 AM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The Du'ers are scared that good might actually happen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=104x3029263

Read this, it's incredible.
No thanks. I don' t know if you've noticed, but you and bilmore are the only ones that quote that site, and as far as I know the only ones that read it. I suspect that a correlation exists in that, but I admire your determination to swim against the tide.

Quote:

I just want Pelosi or someone to quote Ty's article!
Boxer. Send a note to Boxer. Remember, the party has her face now. So I've heard.

Replaced_Texan 02-01-2005 12:09 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
No thanks. I don' t know if you've noticed, but you and bilmore are the only ones that quote that site, and as far as I know the only ones that read it. I suspect that a correlation exists in that, but I admire your determination to swim against the tide.
2. I daresay that I read more liberal blogs than Bilmore and Hank, and I don't know anyone in those blogs that a) cites to DU or b) admits to reading DU. I honestly thought that Bilmore was talking about Ducks Unlimited the first time he mentioned them.

etfg

bilmore 02-01-2005 01:06 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
2. I daresay that I read more liberal blogs than Bilmore and Hank, and I don't know anyone in those blogs that a) cites to DU or b) admits to reading DU. I honestly thought that Bilmore was talking about Ducks Unlimited the first time he mentioned them.

etfg
I think we cite to them mainly for the same reasons that others here cite to the fringe religious right - entertainment value. They probably represent comparable influences in the parties.

Shape Shifter 02-01-2005 01:10 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I think we cite to them mainly for the same reasons that others here cite to the fringe religious right - entertainment value. They probably represent comparable influences in the parties.
The identity of the outgoing AG suggests differently. Care for more examples, or is the Annointed One enough?

Hank Chinaski 02-01-2005 01:12 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
The identity of the outgoing AG suggests differently. Care for more examples, or is the Annointed One enough?

What Forums do you read at DU?

Shape Shifter 02-01-2005 01:20 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What Forums do you read at DU?
I hadn't heard of it until you posted it (whiff, I know). But if you bothered to read any of the responses, you'd notice that many of the DU posters disavowed the position taken in the original post and stated that it did not reflect the opinion of the DU community as a whole.

bilmore 02-01-2005 01:23 PM

Proper Planning by our agencies
 
I thought this was funny:

"Eastern Ukraine is heavily ethnic Russian. The main industry is coal. The miners are rough, tough, and hate Yushchenko for wanting to take Ukraine away from Russia and toward the West," writes Wheeler. "It was arranged for more than a thousand of them to be taken from Donetsk, the capital of the coal-mining region, by bus and train to Kiev, where, armed with clubs and blunt tools, they would physically beat up the Orange Revolutionaries. Such mass violence was not only to disperse the demonstrators but serve as an excuse for the government to declare martial law, suspending the Ukrainian Parliament (the Rada) and elections indefinitely."

Now comes the secret weapon: vodka.

"When the miners got on their buses and trains, they found to their joy case after case of vodka – just for them. When they arrived in Kiev, trucks awaited them filled with more cases of vodka – all free provided by 'friends' of the Donetsk coal miners. Completely soused, they never made it to Independence Square. Too hammered blind to cause any violence at all, they had a merry time, passed out and were shipped back to Donetsk." . . .

Wheeler's column goes on to explain who provided the liquor: teams of Porter Goss' CIA working with their counterparts in British MI6 intelligence."

bilmore 02-01-2005 01:25 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
The identity of the outgoing AG suggests differently. Care for more examples, or is the Annointed One enough?
I'll raise you one incoming chair of the DNC.

Like I said - comparable influence.

Replaced_Texan 02-01-2005 01:38 PM

I could have told you this without conducting the study
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...nence_texas_dc




Of course, they'll go ahead and commission the abstinance programs anyways, and then claim that we Dems are the ones that don't know how to use government dollars on domestic programs wisely.
And now the Vatican looks like it's on board with condom use.

Could it be that every sperm is in fact not sacred?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-01-2005 01:44 PM

A blast from the past.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I'll raise you one incoming chair of the DNC.
Do you think Dean is as far to the left as Ashcroft is to the right? I don't think that Ashcroft is as extreme as some people do, but I still think that's a bit odd.


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