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Penske_Account 09-21-2006 04:11 PM

Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Is this for real? Someone please tell me it's not. Anyone. I don't care. Even you, ppnyc. I don't even care if you're lying. Just say it so I can hear it.

TM
I think she was being facetious, yes?

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 04:11 PM

Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
I'm funny how? I'm funny like a clown? I amuse you?
You had me at top-dead-center, but lost me with this.

TM

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-21-2006 04:11 PM

What are the new rules, anyway?
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why the edit?

700P, Verison. EVDo. It's faster than my dsl.
The rules are there are no rules. Let's get away from the posters' names in the threads.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-21-2006 04:12 PM

Fortunately, Unfortunately.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Unfortunately, the underwire in my bra is starting to poke through and bother me.

Fortunately, I'll be in the market for a whole new bra wardrobe after next Thursday.
Reconsider.

taxwonk 09-21-2006 04:12 PM

Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think she was being facetious, yes?
Let's get ruling from Sebby. He knows from facetious.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-21-2006 04:12 PM

Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
'I won't ruin the ending, which features an inevitable rematch between the Rock's team and a preppie team of evil white kids that destroyed them in their first game. But I did find the symbolism interesting. When "Rocky" launched the lovable underdog boom in '76, we rallied around a mildly talented white boxer who nearly toppled an invincible black champion. Two years later in "Rocky II," the white guy finally knocked out the black guy -- I still remember everyone in my theater STANDING AND CHEERING at the end -- quickly followed by Rocky facing an even more menacing black opponent in "Rocky III," a sneering, mohawked wrecking machine who hit on Rocky's wife ("Hey woman … hey woman!"), knocked him out and inadvertently caused Mickey's death. That's just the way it worked in the '70s and '80s, cresting with "Hoosiers," when a team of underdog white kids rallied to beat a team of taller, more talented black kids. There was an underlying lesson, even if we didn't want to admit it: Black athletes are better, but white athletes can beat them if they try hard enough.

Now things have flipped: we don't need the likes of Rocky Balboa, Danny LaRusso, Crash Davis, Lickety Split, Jimmy Chitwood, Henry Steele, Reg Dunlop, Roy Hobbs, Scott Howard, Paul Crewe and Jonathan E. anymore. Inner-city kids, prisoners and juvie kids have become the heroes, blacks are just as likely to play lead roles as whites, and characters become decidedly unsympathetic if they attend a school with enough money to afford uniforms with names on the back. Coaches have emerged as the most important characters, not because they're the most interesting, but because it's the role most likely to attract a major star (and there really aren't any major stars under 40 anymore). If you can find a setting that can be accentuated by the right hip-hop soundtrack, all the better.

Hey, I'd like to tell you that this is progress. I'd like to tell you that most of the classic sports flicks catered to white people to an embarrassing degree, that the current shift of focus was long overdue. I'd even like to tell you that this is a great sign for society as a whole -- 25 years ago, a sports movie with a black star and a mostly black cast probably wouldn't have finished No. 1 in its opening weekend.

But the truth is less stimulating: Hollywood just ran out of sports movie ideas. Switch the color of the cast and it FEELS like a different formula ... even though it isn't. There will always be an underdog player/team that can't get it together, there will always be a coach/manager/team willing to save them, and there will always be an evil/invincible opponent that needs to be toppled. This recipe has been working for three decades now, and it will probably be working three decades from now. One day, I'll stop enjoying it. I just don't know when. There are worse ways to kill two hours.'

Interesting take. I wonder if the point he shoo'd away isn't a bit more legitimate. Is there a new definition of underdog in Hollywood? Are more and more black actors finding work (even if they do have to play gang members and criminals*) because of society's undeniable draw to black culture?

It used to be that whites straight copied black culture and although, in most cases, they weren't as talented, in tune or connected to the culture they were copying, they made the most money. Now, aside from Justin Timberlake, people seem to want the real thing (or at least what they imagine the real thing is). You'll never see a Vanilla Ice again.

I watched The Wire for the first time last night and the writing was authentic and the characters were what I've seen in some neighborhoods I tried not to spend much time in.

I know I'm rambling, but what does all this say about the music and movie industry and its current treatment of race?**

TM

*I guess that hasn't changed much.

**Feel free to read this as a rhetorical question.
I don't think "Hoosiers" was that far off from the real Milan story. Milan did beat a predominantly black team, although in the quarterfinals, not the championship game.

From wiki:

"In the state championship scene, the movie portrays Muncie Central (South Bend Central in the movie; Milan had lost to South Bend Central in the 1953 state semifinals) as a predominantly black team. The real Muncie Central was a predominantly white team with three black members. The movie probably borrowed from the actual history of the 1954 state quarterfinals, in which Milan defeated the segregated Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis led by all-time great Oscar Robertson, then a sophomore. In the movie the Muncie/South Bend coach is played by Ray Crowe, who coached Crispus Attucks in 1954 and would lead the team the next year, 1955, to become the first all-black team to win the state championship. The Attucks team, with Crowe as coach and Robertson as floor leader, would repeat as state champions in 1956."

My response was, of course: holy shit, Milan beat Oscar Robertson?

sebastian_dangerfield 09-21-2006 04:13 PM

The Big Hurt
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He was playing left field at the time. And it was 15 metres.
Why do people say "he's out in left field?" Shouldn't that saying use "right field" instead?

pony_trekker 09-21-2006 04:14 PM

Fortunately, Unfortunately.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Unfortunately, the underwire in my bra is starting to poke through and bother me.

Fortunately, I'll be in the market for a whole new bra wardrobe after next Thursday.
So until then GO BRALESS

NSFW

Marissa Tormei braless

sebastian_dangerfield 09-21-2006 04:15 PM

Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Let's get ruling from Sebby. He knows from facetious.
Survey Says - Serious.

spookyfish 09-21-2006 04:15 PM

Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '63. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center.
Uh, the 327 came out in 1962.


Now, you're just doing this to piss me off. . .

Penske_Account 09-21-2006 04:15 PM

What are the new rules, anyway?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The rules are there are no rules. Let's get away from the posters' names in the threads.
Why? It's a celebration of community. When you sing happy birthday at your kid's parties do you leave out the name of the celebrant?

eta: ps: How do you know I didn't mean "hi" to Hank Williams, Sr.? Maybe I am a big country music fan, yes?

spookyfish 09-21-2006 04:16 PM

Fortunately, Unfortunately.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Reconsider.
What? New bras aren't good?

Sheesh.

Penske_Account 09-21-2006 04:17 PM

Fortunately, Unfortunately.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by pony_trekker
So until then GO BRALESS

NSFW
Why is that NSFW? She had clothes on? Where do you work, a mosque?

taxwonk 09-21-2006 04:18 PM

Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I don't think "Hoosiers" was that far off from the real Milan story. Milan did beat a predominantly black team, although in the quarterfinals, not the championship game.

From wiki:

"In the state championship scene, the movie portrays Muncie Central (South Bend Central in the movie; Milan had lost to South Bend Central in the 1953 state semifinals) as a predominantly black team. The real Muncie Central was a predominantly white team with three black members. The movie probably borrowed from the actual history of the 1954 state quarterfinals, in which Milan defeated the segregated Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis led by all-time great Oscar Robertson, then a sophomore. In the movie the Muncie/South Bend coach is played by Ray Crowe, who coached Crispus Attucks in 1954 and would lead the team the next year, 1955, to become the first all-black team to win the state championship. The Attucks team, with Crowe as coach and Robertson as floor leader, would repeat as state champions in 1956."

My response was, of course: holy shit, Milan beat Oscar Robertson?
This is actually a reposne to Thurgreed because I didn't read his post the first time.

The Wire is an incredible show. As for what it says about race, I think if you were to have followed it from the beginning, you would see that it is one of the most racially balanced shows on tv. There are both Black and White heroes and villains. Rich and poor, etc.

spookyfish 09-21-2006 04:18 PM

Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I don't think "Hoosiers" was that far off from the real Milan story. Milan did beat a predominantly black team, although in the quarterfinals, not the championship game.

From wiki:

"In the state championship scene, the movie portrays Muncie Central (South Bend Central in the movie; Milan had lost to South Bend Central in the 1953 state semifinals) as a predominantly black team. The real Muncie Central was a predominantly white team with three black members. The movie probably borrowed from the actual history of the 1954 state quarterfinals, in which Milan defeated the segregated Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis led by all-time great Oscar Robertson, then a sophomore. In the movie the Muncie/South Bend coach is played by Ray Crowe, who coached Crispus Attucks in 1954 and would lead the team the next year, 1955, to become the first all-black team to win the state championship. The Attucks team, with Crowe as coach and Robertson as floor leader, would repeat as state champions in 1956."

My response was, of course: holy shit, Milan beat Oscar Robertson?

I'm just bummed that I didn't go to Crispus Attucks high school.


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