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nononono 08-30-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by patentparanyc
Jinx. just posted same thing.
Well, not really.

But I don't care! Enough meta-conversations, please.

Spanky 08-30-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
(leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).
That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:29 PM
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I threw out a reasonable proposal and was turned down. And then Burger offered what I thought was the perfect solution. Maybe a little harsh but the reasonble proposal was turned down.
maybe next time the two of you could try a modest proposal and a final solution.

Shape Shifter 08-30-2006 05:29 PM
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That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.
Which reminds me -- I wonder if Wonk would french-kiss a dude if it meant he got to sleep with SJ?

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2006 05:29 PM
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I understand what you are saying, but what I don't understand is why we think it is pretentious when someone pronounces a french word the way it is supposed to be pronounced in french (leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).

I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.
French Canadians changed all kinds of pronounciations, you know.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.
I actually use both. Always have. And I'm from the midwest.

I don't pronounce "garage" the french way, but my great Uncle from Louisiana does.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I understand what you are saying, but what I don't understand is why we think it is pretentious when someone pronounces a french word the way it is supposed to be pronounced in french (leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).

I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.
I agree, although I kept getting funny looks the last time I was in Baton Rouge.

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Spanky
That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.
So it's Cinnabon with a hard "n," as in bun. Noted.

ltl/fb 08-30-2006 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Spanky
That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.
Bouquet?

I think Spanky putting everyone who won't ignore whatsherface on ignore is the perfect solution.

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2006 05:31 PM
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Wow. Even the threat of the threat is scary. Whatever happened to the punishment fitting the crime?
Spanky threatens to put me on ignore, I'd do what he tells me.


and PS: I can't change my avatar- it won't let me. Penske's revenge?

Replaced_Texan 08-30-2006 05:33 PM
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That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.
I haven't spent that much time there, but the small amount of time I have spent in France I have enjoyed immensely. The food was good, the architecture was beautiful, the shops were lovely, the beaches were nice, the train was easy to navigate. The people were so-so. I disliked the people in Athens much more than I disliked the people in Paris, even though the people in Paris pretended not to speak English.* With the possible exception of the Italians (and the staff at the Intercontinental Hotel in Berlin) I've never really been impressed with European customer service.

All in all, I like France, and I vote we keep it.


*I, an ugly American, only speak English. And Spanish. The former is a detriment, the latter I use to pretend I'm from some unknown Latin American country. My accent is always identified as Mexican by those who speak Spanish, though. None of this is particularly useful in France.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:35 PM
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I haven't spent that much time there, but the small amount of time I have spent in France I have enjoyed immensely. The food was good, the architecture was beautiful, the shops were lovely, the beaches were nice, the train was easy to navigate. The people were so-so. I disliked the people in Athens much more than I disliked the people in Paris, even though the people in Paris pretended not to speak English. With the possible exception of the Italians (and the staff at the Intercontinental Hotel in Berlin) I've never really been impressed with European customer service.

All in all, I like France, and I vote we keep it.
The French are wonderful. It's the Parisians who suck. It's just like the USA and NYC. Except that I hate middle America. And New Yorkers. And Southerners. And West Coasters. And the Dutch.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-30-2006 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

and PS: I can't change my avatar- it won't let me. Penske's revenge?

NOOOO!!!!!!!

That avatar has been fucking with me all day.

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I haven't spent that much time there, but the small amount of time I have spent in France I have enjoyed immensely. The food was good, the architecture was beautiful, the shops were lovely, the beaches were nice, the train was easy to navigate. The people were so-so. I disliked the people in Athens much more than I disliked the people in Paris, even though the people in Paris pretended not to speak English. With the possible exception of the Italians (and the staff at the Intercontinental Hotel in Berlin) I've never really been impressed with European customer service.

All in all, I like France, and I vote we keep it.
Just don't ever rely on getting a taxi in Paris on July 31. Fuhgeddaboutit.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2006 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I understand what you are saying, but what I don't understand is why we think it is pretentious when someone pronounces a french word the way it is supposed to be pronounced in french (leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).

I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.

If I told you I spent my vacation in "Paghreee", instead of "Paris", wouldn't you find that a little weird?

Unless the original pronunciation is in general use, as with foyer, I find it pretentious. Homage is a good case in point. (Though I can't speak as to what they do in Canada, where the more common use of French would, I think, make things more complicated.)

I would also find it silly if a Frenchman pronounced words like "television" the American way.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2006 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by nononono
Well, not really.

But I don't care! Enough meta-conversations, please.

No, no -- let's analyze this some more. It's just getting interesting.

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If I told you I spent my vacation in "Paghreee", instead of "Paris", wouldn't you find that a little weird?

Unless the original pronunciation is in general use, as with foyer, I find it pretentious. Homage is a good case in point. (Though I can't speak as to what they do in Canada, where the more common use of French would, I think, make things more complicated.)

I would also find it silly if a Frenchman pronounced words like "television" the American way.
That's why I will write homage, but say tribute.

Although I always order Kwoissants and Yeeros, just to be a tool.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-30-2006 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
So it's Cinnabon with a hard "n," as in bun. Noted.
And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.

patentparanyc 08-30-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
That's why I will write homage, but say tribute.

Although I always order Kwoissants and Yeeros, just to be a tool.
it is so not GYyyyroooo so yero is corr greek pro.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-30-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If I told you I spent my vacation in "Paghreee", instead of "Paris", wouldn't you find that a little weird?
Um, yes.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Spanky
That is pretty much the crux of the problem. Some of us are trying to forget the French exist. Correct pronunciation pulls us out of our denial bubble.

Yeah, why would we keep a country with great food, gorgeous women, and beautiful sights?

Oh, right -- they didn't believe that Iraq had WMD. Bad people.


(Sorry for posting this on the wrong board)

nononono 08-30-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I haven't spent that much time there, but the small amount of time I have spent in France I have enjoyed immensely. The food was good, the architecture was beautiful, the shops were lovely, the beaches were nice, the train was easy to navigate. The people were so-so. I disliked the people in Athens much more than I disliked the people in Paris, even though the people in Paris pretended not to speak English. With the possible exception of the Italians (and the staff at the Intercontinental Hotel in Berlin) I've never really been impressed with European customer service.

All in all, I like France, and I vote we keep it.
Second. I never found the French unpleasant, and generally more-than-helpful. Maybe it helped that I do or did speak French, I guess, and usually they would not guess me to be American, perhaps also a help.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:39 PM
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That's why I will write homage, but say tribute.

Although I always order Kwoissants and Yeeros, just to be a tool.
And nyocki.

patentparanyc 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.
Pahn.

Spanky 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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The French are wonderful. It's the Parisians who suck. It's
I hate to admit it but this is true. When I lived in Paris, I couldn't believe how nice people got when I left the city.

patentparanyc 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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And nyocki.
you mean, gnocci? that is the correct pro

greatwhitenorthchick 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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That's why I will write homage, but say tribute.

Although I always order Kwoissants and Yeeros, just to be a tool.
Me too!!

Soul sister with toothy vagina!

Sidd Finch 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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Um, yes.
tres bien

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:40 PM
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And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.
You could say ABP. This technique works for barely; she says CPK to avoid the tricky pronunciation of California Pizza Kitchen.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If I told you I spent my vacation in "Paghreee", instead of "Paris", wouldn't you find that a little weird?

Unless the original pronunciation is in general use, as with foyer, I find it pretentious. Homage is a good case in point. (Though I can't speak as to what they do in Canada, where the more common use of French would, I think, make things more complicated.)

I would also find it silly if a Frenchman pronounced words like "television" the American way.
I have been calling Capri "CA-pri" since I went there. That is so gay.

nononono 08-30-2006 05:41 PM
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No, no -- let's analyze this some more. It's just getting interesting.
Now you're looking for punishment, aren't you?

ltl/fb 08-30-2006 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.
And if we pronounce it, uh, I don't know how to convey that in writing, but not as "pain," do we have to pronounce "bon" like we forgot to say the "d"s in "Bond, James Bond"?

I think I just won't care how people pronounce stuff, unles they are clearly confused and want to be corrected. I also will not care if someone calls a sparkling wine from California (or Oregon or Washington or upstate NY or whatever) "champagne."

Cletus Miller 08-30-2006 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I understand what you are saying, but what I don't understand is why we think it is pretentious when someone pronounces a french word the way it is supposed to be pronounced in french (leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).

I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.
I agree as to actual french words, but homage is not, as far as I can tell (and I have done a little research) actually taken from modern french (hommage) but is from middle english/anglo-french. Yes, the words have the same meanig and differ only by an M, and that will be a source of confusion for french speakers, but the vast majority of americans aren't, and homage has been an english word with an english pronunciation different from the french for centuries.

I think it's pretentious b/c I think that the reason that oh-mahz has been adopted by some is that they think it shows they are intellectual/high class/funny/whatever when they pronounce "french" words as they would be in french. Often it's correct to use the french, this case it isn't.

The big pronunciation mess in america is with place names from the french (and spanish and everything else)--americanized except when they aren't.

patentparanyc 08-30-2006 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
You could say ABP. This technique works for barely; she says CPK to avoid the tricky pronunciation of California Pizza Kitchen.
I pronounce cappicola as "gabagool" that is not the same thing since it is slang for it.

Spanky 08-30-2006 05:42 PM
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Yeah, why would we keep a country with great food, gorgeous women, and beautiful sights?

Oh, right -- they didn't believe that Iraq had WMD. Bad people.


(Sorry for posting this on the wrong board)
I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand. the hate just congealed when I lived in Paris.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:43 PM
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The big pronunciation mess in america is with place names from the french (and spanish and everything else)--americanized except when they aren't.
San Diego means "a whale's vagina".

robustpuppy 08-30-2006 05:43 PM
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And nyocki.
I usually point to the gnocchi on the menu. Nyocki, Nokee, Nocky? They all sound silly. Mani-kottee? Ri-kotta? If I'm in an Italian restaurant, I just avoid saying any of it.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-30-2006 05:44 PM
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you mean, gnocci? that is the correct pro
You are an idiot. There is no "g" in the pronuniciation. Only the spelling.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-30-2006 05:44 PM
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I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand. the hate just congealed when I lived in Paris.
mmmmmm, congealed hate.

Gattigap 08-30-2006 05:44 PM
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I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand.
Odd. That's the moment when Slave -- briefly, fleetingly -- liked the French.


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