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Penske 2.0 07-21-2010 04:49 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429265)
That is certainly a question we've had to ask ourselves too much, possibly because Gloria Allred has asked it too little.
These are all CA lawyers, yes? What's wrong with y'all?

Atticus Grinch 07-21-2010 04:56 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 429318)
These are all CA lawyers, yes? What's wrong with y'all?
I bet half the people on this board are admitted in California, or once were. 'Nuff said.

Penske 2.0 07-21-2010 05:11 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429320)
I bet half the people on this board are admitted in California, or once were. 'Nuff said.
I got out. And I don't look back, although I like to visit. No offence.

Cletus Miller 07-21-2010 05:18 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 429324)
I got out. And I don't look back, although I like to visit. No offence.
That's over half right there!

John Phoenix 07-24-2010 09:11 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429320)
I bet half the people on this board are admitted in California, or once were. 'Nuff said.
The rest of us are waiting for California to change the rules for reciprocity.

Penske 2.0 07-25-2010 12:03 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by John Phoenix (Post 429539)
The rest of us are waiting for California to change the rules for reciprocity.
A few weeks back I met with a few people from one of the largest health care lenders in the country on a potential deal we may be doing. One of those was the Chair/CEO. He started out as a lawyer, partner of a regional bigger firm, GC of the lender in its infancy, eventually his current position.

Outside of our deal, his personal advice to me was "lose the lawyer hat and grow your business side hat"......can I sell the law licenses that I have?

John Phoenix 07-25-2010 12:33 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 429544)
A few weeks back I met with a few people from one of the largest health care lenders in the country on a potential deal we may be doing. One of those was the Chair/CEO. He started out as a lawyer, partner of a regional bigger firm, GC of the lender in its infancy, eventually his current position.

Outside of our deal, his personal advice to me was "lose the lawyer hat and grow your business side hat"......can I sell the law licenses that I have?
Try eBay.

Penske 2.0 07-25-2010 12:39 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by John Phoenix (Post 429545)
Unfortunately, mine doesn't qualify for antique status. Maybe I can trade with Wonk or Hank and then sell that one.....

Hank Chinaski 07-27-2010 09:25 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429320)
I bet half the people on this board are admitted in California, or once were. 'Nuff said.
all you PB toadies count as 1 under Ty. otherwise Penske and I get to count our socks.

Atticus Grinch 07-27-2010 10:15 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 429808)
all you PB toadies count as 1 under Ty. otherwise Penske and I get to count our socks.
Why all the poison on the board, Hank? Why can't you just talk about the issues instead of all the ad hominem attacks?

Hank Chinaski 07-27-2010 10:25 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429815)
Why all the poison on the board, Hank? Why can't you just talk about the issues instead of all the ad hominem attacks?
venom is the better word choice

Penske 2.0 07-27-2010 10:52 PM
Re: robert shapiro....
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 429815)
Why all the poison on the board, Hank? Why can't you just talk about the issues instead of all the ad hominem attacks?
The PB is the issues board. the rest is fluff. no offence.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2010 07:22 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 

FBI pwned by Wikipedia lawyers.

Penske 2.0 08-04-2010 09:08 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 430643)
This is an olde article and actually happened on Bush's watch, right? Certainly the Obama administration would not engage in such brainless and oppressive endeavours.

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 09:44 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 430643)
when i was a quasi-judicial official of the US Dept of commerce I became a union rep to gain actual litigation experience. our union and the PTO management submitted conflicting contract provisions to binding arbitration. the arb decided. PTO appealled. we took the position no appeal was available.

the K required the final k be printed for the rank and file. we said let's print it. PTO said, "well okay, but with the parts we are challenging in italics." we go "no, because your managers will always treat those like they aren't really in the K."

so we up and printed it, and then sued them for the cost- then they conter sued us because we had put their seal on the cover.

then i quit having anything to do with labor law:cool::o

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 09:47 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 430673)
This is an olde article and actually happened on Bush's watch, right? Certainly the Obama administration would not engage in such brainless and oppressive endeavours.
i'm still waiting for the Justice Dept to prosecute an infringing use of the seal of the President (elect) that happened in 2008/2009 between election day and inaugural day.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-04-2010 09:53 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430675)
when i was a quasi-judicial official of the US Dept of commerce I became a union rep to gain actual litigation experience. our union and the PTO management submitted conflicting contract provisions to binding arbitration. the arb decided. PTO appealled. we took the position no appeal was available.

the K required the final k be printed for the rank and file. we said let's print it. PTO said, "well okay, but with the parts we are challenging in italics." we go "no, because your managers will always treat those like they aren't really in the K."

so we up and printed it, and then sued them for the cost- then they conter sued us because we had put their seal on the cover.

then i quit having anything to do with labor law:cool::o
You're like a high-tech Norma Rae.

Penske 2.0 08-04-2010 10:01 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430676)
i'm still waiting for the Justice Dept to prosecute an infringing use of the seal of the President (elect) that happened in 2008/2009 between election day and inaugural day.
Also, what happened to the "W" key board keys that the Clinton people heisted?!?!?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-04-2010 10:01 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430676)
i'm still waiting for the Justice Dept to prosecute an infringing use of the seal of the President (elect) that happened in 2008/2009 between election day and inaugural day.
No copyright in government works.

There is statutory authority for the presidential transition, and federal money to pay for it.

Cletus Miller 08-04-2010 10:33 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 430680)
No copyright in government works.

There is statutory authority for the presidential transition, and federal money to pay for it.
Does Disney know about this exception?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-04-2010 10:41 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 430673)
This is an olde article and actually happened on Bush's watch, right? Certainly the Obama administration would not engage in such brainless and oppressive endeavours.
I believe the FBI is brainless and oppressive no matter who the President is.

Atticus Grinch 08-04-2010 10:48 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 430680)
No copyright in government works.
Cite, please? (Seriously. I reached the opposite conclusion for non-federal works, as have many of m'colleagues.)

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-04-2010 11:32 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 430686)
Cite, please? (Seriously. I reached the opposite conclusion for non-federal works, as have many of m'colleagues.)
17 USC 105

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2010 11:34 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 430686)
Cite, please? (Seriously. I reached the opposite conclusion for non-federal works, as have many of m'colleagues.)
I was surprised Hank didn't realize this. Apparently he treated his IP law education the same way he treated his con law education.

Atticus Grinch 08-04-2010 11:44 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 430697)
Then I think your prior post was overbroad. "No copyright in federal government works." I thought you were implying there was some kind of common law of public intellectual property, and I had concluded there wasn't. Oakland can stop me from marketing "Oakland PD" hats the same way it can charge admission to the Colisseum when the Warriors are playing even though both are public property. And I can't steal Oakland's website and put it up elsewhere, etc. Yes?

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 11:44 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 430698)
I was surprised Hank didn't realize this. Apparently he treated his IP law education the same way he treated his con law education.
i didn't draft the complaint, nor read it. however, i assume the US patent and trademark is unlikely to have made a major gaffe about copyright law. I think it wasn't a compalint in copyright law, but something to do with authoirty.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2010 11:45 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430703)
i didn't draft the complaint, nor read it. however, i assume the US patent and trademark is unlikely to have made a major gaffe about copyright law. I think it wasn't a compalint in copyright law, but something to do with authoirty.
But you were proposing that the gov't prosecute an infringing use of the Presidential seal, no?

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 11:45 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 430702)
Then I think your prior post was overbroad. "No copyright in federal government works." I thought you were implying there was some kind of common law of public intellectual property, and I had concluded their wasn't. Oakland can stop me from marketing "Oakland PD" hats the same way it can charge admission to the Colisseum when the Warriors are playing even though both are public property. And I can't steal Oakland's website and put it up elsewhere, etc. Yes?
the hats are more grounded in TM- although Obama tshirts are freely sold in every non-rich neighborbood party store in the Metro D

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 11:46 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 430704)
But you were proposing that the gov't prosecute an infringing use of the Presidential seal, no?
infringing is a broad word. it would extend to the crime that his transition team di commit- or at least that one crime.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2010 11:48 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430706)
infringing is a broad word. it would extend to the crime that his transition team di commit- or at least that one crime.
Cite, please.

Sidd Finch 08-04-2010 11:49 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 430702)
Then I think your prior post was overbroad. "No copyright in federal government works." I thought you were implying there was some kind of common law of public intellectual property, and I had concluded there wasn't. Oakland can stop me from marketing "Oakland PD" hats the same way it can charge admission to the Colisseum when the Warriors are playing even though both are public property. And I can't steal Oakland's website and put it up elsewhere, etc. Yes?
He was talking about the real government, not local backwaters.

I'm back. Why is GGG using a pic of TM as his avatar?

Hank Chinaski 08-04-2010 11:51 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 430707)
Cite, please.
adder is on holidAY and burger is already busy. we'll get to this when we do.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-04-2010 11:53 AM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 430709)
He was talking about the real government, not local backwaters.

I'm back. Why is GGG using a pic of TM as his avatar?
Despite the fact that we're first cousins, we're married now.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-04-2010 12:00 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 430702)
Then I think your prior post was overbroad. "No copyright in federal government works."
It was specifically designed to cause a panic attack on your part. Since I was referring to an FBI logo, I didn't really think I needed to cover state governments or, for that matter, foreign governments.

Penske 2.0 08-04-2010 12:36 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 430705)
the hats are more grounded in TM- although Obama tshirts are freely sold in every non-rich neighborbood party store in the Metro D
Perhaps I should explore a cross promo with motor city bagels?

Tyrone Slothrop 10-20-2010 03:39 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
ABA Journal:

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As large law firms continue to hire fewer highly paid associates, law school applications will eventually drop and the number of law schools will likely contract, two professors predict in a recent article.

The most prestigious “super elite” law schools will remain, according to the article by University of San Diego law professor David McGowan and academic fellow Bernard Burk of the Center for Corporate Governance at Stanford. Outside the super-elite, schools attracting more applicants will have good placement records, lower tuition because of state subsidies, or will be in regions less served by other institutions.

The article notes outgoing Northwestern law dean David Van Zandt’s estimate that the break-even starting salary for law grads—the point where the cost of law school is a good investment—is $65,000. For many students the break-even may be even higher, McGowan and Burk say.

The article notes that law school tuition has risen at a rate higher than inflation, forcing students to borrow ever-greater sums of money. But the recession has reduced the number of highly paid associate positions, making law school a bad economic proposition for more and more people. Although many law schools are seeing more applications, “the lessons of hard experience will eventually seep into the market,” the article says.

The profs’ predictions are part of a larger article analyzing “two seemingly contradictory observations,” McGowan writes at the Legal Ethics Forum. One the one hand, firms are getting bigger. On the other, they seem more prone to rapid collapse.

McGowan and Burk argue that law firms operate as referral networks, and partners with well-connected colleagues get more business, creating financial incentives for law firms to get bigger by adding more successful partners to the network. But partners with the most business will move to a different network with better referral opportunities, making law firms more fragile.

Cletus Miller 10-20-2010 03:47 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 436194)
ABA Journal:
So, David is arguing against the continued existence of his own law school?

Penske 2.0 10-20-2010 06:01 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 436195)
So, David is arguing against the continued existence of his own law school?
I hope so, cuz he's a fucking idiot or just a glaring example of how ignorant lawyers are of economics. $65K is the break even point for starting salaries??!? If they want to live in a van down by the river......maybe.....or are student loans dischargable in BK in his world?

Cletus Miller 10-20-2010 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 436199)
I hope so, cuz he's a fucking idiot or just a glaring example of how ignorant lawyers are of economics. $65K is the break even point for starting salaries??!? If they want to live in a van down by the river......maybe.....or are student loans dischargable in BK in his world?
I think it's under the presumption that the alternative career path is a minimum wage job.

Even at median income as an alternative, I don't think $65k is break even for the lost wages for 2.75 years out of the workforce + borrowed living expenses, never mind tuition.

David's not a dumb guy, nor is he a typical prof who only worked at a firm for 2 years, max, but that is a dumb point even in the world of law review writing which (almost) encourages making dumb points. I'd blame it's use as a data point on the non-lawyer Stanford guy, but do consider the source--the outgoing dean of NWU, who's apparently trying to rationalize the tuition at NWU (I read that twice, as I first assumed seeing "NWU dean" and "$65k" was referring to the total cost of attendance at NWU).

Atticus Grinch 10-20-2010 06:13 PM
Re: It was the wrong thread
 
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Originally Posted by Penske 2.0 (Post 436199)
I hope so, cuz he's a fucking idiot or just a glaring example of how ignorant lawyers are of economics. $65K is the break even point for starting salaries??!? If they want to live in a van down by the river......maybe.....or are student loans dischargable in BK in his world?
Uh, that break-even point came from the former dean of Northwestern Law. Which is a little bit like a BMW dealer telling you that not only can you afford to buy this car, you can't afford not to buy it.


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