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Don't we all?

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And wake up and go through 9/11 again?

No, thanks.

(Isn't there a Bill Murray movie about that?)

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Not a freaking chance. Pro-lifers in every state mobilize over this issue. Pro-choicers mobilize as well. Pro-lifers will also try to pass laws giving the fetus the right to stay in the state to avoid travel to a state where abortion is legal. Various things will be criminalized. And so on.

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Don't fight the hypothetical.

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Let them catch me. Like I said when Clinton lied under oath, you get a pass where the law is unjust/unjustly applied. And yes, I decide when the law becomes unjust for me on private issues. The price for such behavior is the risk of arrest. So be it. I never bought the "the law is the law and its your duty to obey it or change it" argument. The law on personal issues like drugs and abortion is what I feel like it ought to be, and when I get caught, hey... caveat amptor.

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Thanks. It scares me to think that, in a hundred years, our current take on abortion is going to be equated, morally, with the pro-slavery position.

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Can a fetus still smoke a Cuban?

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Solves those pesky tax problems for me!

(ETA - you don't own a crossbow, do you?)

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I wouldn't worry about that.

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Every so often you post something that leads me to question how well you and your family are adapting to life on our planet.

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If you think that one serious anti-abortionist will stop for one second at the Court allowing the individual states to make abortion decisions, you are seriously, seriously naive. True anti-abortionists don't give a shit about federalism. They're preventing murders. To them, the overturning of Roe v. Wade is not the repeal of the declaration that laws banning abortion are illegal, but rather the affirmative declaration that abortion is illegal. Anything less is failure; anything else leaves blood on the hands of the Court.

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It doesn't lead me anywhere, other than that I cannot buy into abortion rights on the basis of the burden on the mother (exceptions for rape, incest, etc.)

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The same way they can punish US citizens for torture in countries that otherwise tolerate it.

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While I've seen countless arguments over the abortion issue, those that actually wax nostalgic for the situation prior to Roe are relatively few and far between. Good work.

Your argument also seems to suggest that geographical mobility is easy as pie. Sure, it's easy enough for us rich lawyers to move to Indiana, Utah, or CA (at least theoretically). But it may not be so easy for everyone on the economic strata to do so, and that's part of the reason why (as it was before Roe) an underground, illegal, and unsafe cottage industry would likely spring up in those 20 or so states.

So, no, I'm not so sure that the issue would "go away."

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This is probably true. The abolitionists certainly weren't content to leave the Northern states free while the Southerners kept their slaves.

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I think it depends on how difficult it is to pull the trigger.

Improbable, yes, but armament technology marches forward inexorably, does it not?

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2. Similarly, it's illegal to sexually exploit children overseas. So much for that Thai vacation . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/10/12....ap/index.html

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I had to read that one twice.

Then I spit coffee.

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Thanks for trying to help, but that really doesn't alleviate my jurisdictional nonplussedness (hi dtb!).

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That one scared me for a minute. I think that "Thai vacation" can mean different things to different people.

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Undoubtedly true, but I would bet they entered foster care at an older age.

I'm not sure why people don't adopt from Africa. Asia/South Amercia seems to rule out racism. Perhaps the adoption process is more arduous there.

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Puhleeze, I am a serious anti-abortionist. Are you talking about the rabid 1% who protest or more? I mean, if I don't worry about what the vegans care about as representative of the beliefs of your side of the aisle, do you really have to cast the rabid ones as representative of mine?

The fact is, this gets solved by the framework that already exists legitimately in the constitution. This is coming. Ask George Bush if he cares if California moves to legislate legalized abortion. Ask Dick Cheney. Ask just about any-freaking body who has a say in this stuff. You are pointing to the fringe as representative, and then suggesting that its naive not to worry about them. I'm sorry, but its naive to be overly concerned about them. Just politely suggest that they move to Virginia when the time comes.

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I invented this.

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before you give up the ticket, check and make sure there's not a de minimis exception.

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When you say "our current take," I assume you mean your "pro-life" position. If so, I agree.

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No, I think he's right. If you think it's murder, do you simply say "oh, that's over the border, sorry"?

If you truly see it as murder, it does become an uncompromisable issue.

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If you really think that women who decide to have (non-incestous) sex forfeit any interest in autonomy over their own bodies, etc., then surely you also think that anyone who decides to build on real property forfeits any interest in not having the government regulate the property. Both propositions are stupid, but equally so.

And stop pretending you're a libertarian. It's insulting to real libertarians.

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Oh, fun. If you believe the fetus is a full human with full human rights (as opposed to property rights, to answer burger's question), what difference does it make to the fetus how it came to be conceived? Is it not still fully human?

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He voted with his dick.

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Any interest?

Methinks thou doth hyperbolizeth.

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Club, outed!

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On what other basis could you buy into it? Or can't you?

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Ty, Ty, Ty. Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say they forfeit the right. Do you not see a difference between a woman who used birth control and still got pregnant v. one that threw caution to the wind?

How am I pretending? I haven't taken a position on the issue.

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Me, I could do it if the actual life of the mother were threatened. Because then we'd be balancing two facially equal competing interests, and only one can win.

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While it is true that the millions of children waiting to be adopted who are in the foster care system didn't all start there as infants, many, many of them did. Many people who are "desperate -- just desperate!" to adopt do not want to adopt a child who is black or bi-racial (basically, non-white).

I do have personal experience with this -- but by all means, do your own research if you don't believe me.

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More importantly, can a Cuban smoke the Babies?

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I think a "hanging chad" joke could go here. It is an election year, after all.

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Since the US can restrict your overseas travel, why can't they attach conditions to it, the breaking of which subjects you to criminal prosecution?

Are you saying that conduct that takes place outside the US but directed at its interests is not a crime--or at least the US is without jurisdiction to prosecute?

The middle east celebrates tonight!

(I acknowledge the problem that smoking a cuban is essentially a victimless crime, other than the economic stimulus continued consumption of such products may have, contrary to the US's purported interests)

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I think both you and Ty misunderstood my post. I am not saying that I cannot buy into abortion rights, I am saying that I can't do so on the basis of the burden of the mother.