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So all those Israeli political and military leaders, who have used the term "suicide bombers" for decades, really hate the victims they claim to mourn? Interesting.

Insane, but interesting.

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If the bomb goes off and the bomber dies but no one else does, as often happens (yay!), then what is it?

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Laugh while you can, monkey boy. Seriously, I send my kids to the most liberal schools I can find and what do I find there:

They preach, constantly, about anti-bias, they have an anti-bias curriculum (I can't figure out what the bias curriculum is-maybe Byrd knows, Sidd?). Tolerance for all. Except, they hate Bush. I hear it every day. "I hate bush", "wish he was dead" (hi Wonk!) (something, btw, you don't hear me say about the Clintons, either of them). their bumper stickers say it. So even if the kids don't hear the hateful rhetoric, once they get past 1st grade they can read. And yet these people are anti-biased and tolerant. Explain it to me.

I had a parent, ultra liberal, educated, had a doctorate, come to my house for a kid's birthday and say, "I could never socialize with a republican, anyone who votes for Bush is an ignorant scumbag." Nods all around from the other parents.

I would never say that about a democrat or a liberal or a Clinton voter. Tell me again about how I am hateful and the liberals are tolerant.

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Like I said, it's not a schtick. "There's some compelling evidence." Despite the closing of the most expensive criminal investigation in history without any homicide charge, you can't believe that the Clintons did not personally murder anyone, and did not order anyone murdered.

You believe they are murderers. You're just too big a pussy to come out and say it.

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You stupid left-wing Axis apologist. The so-called "kamikaze pilots" should be called "bomber pilots." Anyone who draws a distincting between them and other Japanese who bombed Americans must really just Love the Terrorists. Don't you remember 9/11?

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To be fair, the Israelis had at their disposal none of the reasoned minds of Hannity, nor Coulter, nor Limbaugh to cleanse all use of this disgraceful term in favor of the obvious "homicide bomber," so perhaps their use of the disdainful term is more an unfortunate historical accident than outright malice to the dead.

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Because I am intelligent enough to understand that, from a military and security perspective, there is a difference between fighting someone to whom the threat of death is a deterrent and fighting someone who welcomes death.


I would think that would be obvious. Then again, so much that is obvious blows past you, because you can't see past the sheen of blood that coats your eyes.

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Either liberals are open minded or they are not. It has no bearing on where one lives. The closed minded hateful liberals I encounter here are no different than the ones where you live or anywhere you people congregate. Look at Rachael Corrie, she went international with her hatred. Same strain.




Why? Lots of corrupt officials have pulled the wool over the sheeples eyes. Look at the Daleys, they have been doing for 50 years. And I would bet that that family has blood on their hands. Literally.

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cite please.

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Attempted murder.

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You've called people who support Hillary brainwashed innumerable times.

You've compared Clinton to Stalin -- what does that say about the people who voted for him (you know, the tens of millions you apparently despise)?

If I were you, I'd put my kids in a different school -- their lessons are obviously making you pretty nasty and bitter.

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I gave you one scenario that doesn't include murder or ordering of murder, but perhaps conspiracy. I wasn't there. I don't know what really happened. Just seems odd that with all the vitriolic political attacks from both sides, that the only polticians to have a death list like this are the Clintons.

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I really dont see that it makes that much difference. If you to war and are an aggressor, you are prepared to die from the start, but pretending its suicide affects the desired sympathy.

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It says that I think the American electorate are generally ignorant of who they are voting for which is sad product of the failure of the public school systems thanks to your friends in the teachers' unions.

No, I am tolerant and seek to understand people and accept them on their own terms. I am working to come to grips with how you and yours could be so hateful and further, how you could seek to pass down that hate and intolerance to the youth. For me, I preach open minded tolerance and acceptance of all. Try it.

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Ariel Sharon, interview with Fox in August 2001. This the result of 25 second on Google.

I suppose you would call him Sharon, that miserable jew-hating terror-sympathizer. Given how he seeks to generate sympathy for the people who kill Israelis.


PRIME MINISTER SHARON: Look, usually I think that one should look not at what one says, but at what one did, or does. Not the declarations, but deeds. Since Arafat's statement three days ago in Rome, we had 88 acts of terror already since then.

So I think that we have to look not at words, but at deeds and acts. By now, we don't see any change whatsoever. Myself, I asked Arafat, I sent him a message, I sent him a list of names of terrorist -- those who were preparing acts of murder and terror and violence, those who are preparing suicide bombers, those are preparing the car bombs. I asked him to arrest them. No steps have been taken by him. And I made it very clear that we have to defend our citizens. We have to defend our lives. And that therefore, we had to take counterterrorist steps. That's what we have been doing.

It's not a cycle of terror here. On the one hand, we have murderers, killers, suicide bombers. On the other hand, we are taking defensive counterterrorist measures. That's what we are doing.
...

PRIME MINISTER SHARON: Again, I would like to say that I think there's an entirely different situation here. We have, on the one hand, we have terror mostly carried out by the Palestinian Authority - terror acts, murder, assassinations, suicide bombers.

On the other hand we are taking defensive means. We are intercepting suicide bombers on the way to commit their crimes. And of course, the question is, what the United States would have done if the United States would have known that a group of terrorists were on their way to commit a terrible crime in the center of civilian populations. Would they have sat waiting until that will happen? I don't think so.

...


But of course, one must understand Arafat could avoid it. That's in his hand. He got the list of about 100 terrorists, who are preparing now all those car bombs and roadside bombs, and are mobilizing those suiciders, are preparing them, are sending them to commit their crimes. What he has to do is just to stop them.

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Yeah, let's draw our conclusions based on how nasty and vicious the most hateful people on the political spectrum can be. Good thinking.


Pathetic. You believe the Clintons are murderers -- though now you are lessening it to a "conspiracy" accusation -- but you still can't just say it. Or deny it.

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Bush is a murderer!!!! Laura Bush is a murderer!!!! Republicans are all murderers who support Stalin!!! And I only say these things because I saw a bumper sticker today that pissed me off!!!

Nah, your approach doesn't work for me. But thanks for the suggestion.

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Yes, 2001, before they changed the nomenclature out of deferrence for the victims. I'll ask my neighbour for a cite, he's an ex-IDF officer, although I am fairly certain I have only heard him say "homicide bomber".

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Have you ever felt sympathy for someone who was called a suicide bomber? Ever met anyone who said they felt that sympathy? Ever thought Ariel Sharon was trying to evoke sympathy when he used that term?


Please. If you really think that your enemy's willingness to die makes absolutely no difference, you are a fool.

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Actually I don't think all Dems are as hateful as Carville and Begala and they shouldn't be drawn with the same broadbrush.


Why are you so vested in this? My statements are clear. In the same way that I am not sure that OJ engaged in any criminal act (and certainly despite what some think, he was ajudicated otherwise) I am not certain that the Clintons didn't (other than perjury). Hopefully one day all of the evidence will come to the fore and we can make a fully informed judgment. It would be healing for our society.

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This one is from April 2002 interview with CBS*. Another 12 seconds wasted on Google.


SHARON: They are choosing this kind of terror and when it comes to suicide bombers…


But hey, if you have a neighbor, well, I just don't know what to say. Except that the whole idea that Israel -- Sharon -- didn't pay enough respect to the vicitims of terror until he changed his wording (at a point in time to be identified by Penske's neighbor) is.... well, probably the third or fourth most ridiculous thing you've said today.



*Cue Penske to say it didn't really happen because, well, Dan Rather.

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"Hateful?" Its business. We're not talking about skinheads.

But I hear you. The poor GOP. So maligned, so misunderstood, so persecuted. I'm going to send them a stuffed animal.

You're card carrying crazy.

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Perhaps they are open-minded, anti-biased and tolerant about everything except close-minded, biased intolerance. Is this a conundrum or a paradox?

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Don't redirect your compatriots hatred on me Sidd. You have seen it, you have heard, hell, Wonk who makes the same criticism of me that you do, hatefully wished death upon W on this board (and Wonk, no offence, because I don't take it personally, I am just citing it as example). Harry Reid called Bush a Loser in front of a group of highschool students, I would say that is more hateful of his country and the youth of America than anything I have ever said and he is a leader of your party. Explain that?

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No, they aren't clear at all. They are weaselly at best. Giving Hank the ability to claim that your "Clinton is a murderer" diatribe is just a schtick, when I think it's obvious that it's not.

And I like calling people on their bullshit, what can I say?



More bullshit. Let's try this:

Sidd: I believe OJ Simpson murdered his wife. (I am not "sure", in the sense of having seen it. But the evidence I have seen leads me to that "belief.")

Penske: I [do] [do not] believe that Bill Clinton has murdered people. I [do] [do not] believe that Hillary Clinton has murdered people. I [do] [do not] believe that Bill or Hillary Clinton have ordered people murdered.



Yeah, because Ken Starr just didn't have any investigative resources at his disposal.

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You would compare that statement to you comparing Clinton to Stalin?

You would compare that statement to you posting a picture of Hillary Clinton in a Nazi uniform?

You would compare that statement to accusations of murder?


Get help, Penske. Your brain is scrambled.

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Arafat directed the homicide bombers and the left wing, including your pals the Clintons kissed up to him (literally and figuratively), sympathized with his cause (in which he killed busloads of children) and gave him a Nobel Peace Prize. that is the sympathy I am talking about.

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Well, I'm sure we had all used the term "homicide bombers" instead of "suicide bombers" then none of that would have happened.


Ricockulous.

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Are you sure this is accurate? this is CBS afterall. And Sharon is not the absolute source for everything. Odd that you seek to find common ground with him and yet your party is so hateful to the leadership he provides.

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If you choose to ignore the clear meaning of my words what can I say, other than your obsession is obviously colouring your objectivity.


The liberal MSM thwarted him. thanks.

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why do they keep quoting the Israelis? Their official language isn't English. They're are translation issues croosed by these quotes.

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Yes. I am not comparing Clinton to Stalin act for act, just to certain degrees. I will flatly state for the record, Stalin is responsible for more deaths than the Clintons. Combined.


Actually the Reid statement is worse. The pic is a farce. the underlying message is valid, but the delivery is a joke. Also, I have no real influence and I am not a leader of my party. Reid is a leader of his party and has influence and was speaking to a group of highschool students for whom he should be setting an example (and who are both his and the president's constituents). In that role I think he has a duty to act responsibly. if he wanted to criticise policy so be it, but he instead used a puerile pejorative that had no basis in fact. He's pathetic. don't sink to his level. You can be better.


Who accused someone of murder?

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I'm sorry-- you asked for a cite to support my statement that Israeli political and military leaders use the term suicide bombers. I chose a guy who was both a political and military leader, and one that even you at your most pathetic could not call traitorious liberal terror-supporter.


If you'd like to check for other political and military leaders, try Google yourself.

While you're there, look up "penske straight answer clinton a murderer".. Let me know what you find -- it may be the only google search I've ever done that didn't even pull up a porn site.

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You missed that part.

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As I said:



Pavlov is calling you in for dinner, Penske.

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Nice misdirection, but the liberals feted Arafat and frankly they should answer for it. You asked about sympathy for these people, well, this was the guy pulling the strings and you gave him a nobel peace prize. Sharon would have taken him out but the liberals wouldnt tolerate it. They sympathised with his cause. Clinton wanted to give the keys to the destruction of Israel-now that would have been some blood on his hands.

He was their hero. And the leader of the homicide bombers.

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post hoc.

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2.

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This is what I call the "Hey, look over there!" mode of argument. Are we still talking about how the use of the term "suicide bomber" was intended to evoke sympathy for terrorists?


I thought not. If you can't answer a simple question (do you believe they did, or do you believe they didn't?), you certainly can't stay on the topic.


Your suggestion that Arafat was my hero (since I'm a liberal) is up there with your suggestion that Byrd is my consience (since I'm a Democrat) -- proof that you are incapable of defending what you say, or what your party does, without resorting to the baseless, vicious, and moronic. Cheers!

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You are really vested in perpetuating a falsehood. This is the same as the liberals claiming there were no WMDs and yet having no real proof that the WMDs were moved to Syria, as many claim. Why the endeavours to create lies? Why not accept the truth or the possibility of the same?