Spanky |
08-10-2005 04:43 PM |
CAFTA
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And I agreed, so insofar as you think that's why we disagree, you are wrong.
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Right
I think I have agreed with this as well.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well, that's not what I argued either, so I guess you've never heard anyone argue it. Which doesn't surprise me much.
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I thought I heard you say that the anti free trade stuff in CAFTA out weighed the Free trade stuff making CAFTA on balance not a free trade agreemenht. In fact I am sure you did. CAFTA cuts tariffs (completely) but doesn't create a level playing field. So does that mean you support it?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Unlike you, I do not attach some totemic significance to the utterances of trade associations, so I am not going to Google this one. Sorry.
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You think your idea of parallel regulation is so widely accpeted that I have got the definition of free trade wrong and such definition is used for other ends. And don't you think if parallel regulations were important to business that someone somewhere would mention it. And I did not say trade association I said any business.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Again, that's not what I argued, so no. But I do refer you back to the piece I quoted by Rep. Cardin, a self-described supporter of free trade for twenty years. How do you explain his position on this bill? For the sake of argument, assume that he is principled, and is not lying.
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Again. That is what you argued. You argued which I pointed out as proposition one. The Free trade lost by parallels outweighs the free trade benefit of cutting tariffs.
He argues #2. Which you did not support. That the loss of the other aspects, labour and environment, outweight the free trade aspect.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know what you mean by "free trade," let alone "a free trade environment," but I do generally support NAFTA and the WTO, as do people like Cardin.
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Cardin does not support CAFTA because it does not provide an enforcemnt mechanism of labour rules provided for in NAFTA. He does not make the argument that the lack of this provision makes the agreement less free.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That is a good question. I am aware that this White House retaliates against sympathetic interests that do not toe its line on things like this, so I tend to discount the articulated views of these sorts of trade associations. I wish I had a better answer than this, but I also suspect that if I set next to one of these lobbyists on a plane, I would learn much more about what they think about these issues than I am getting from your recitation of their rapture for CAFTA.
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This doesn't make sense because it hasn't only been this administration. The business community could have cared less about the environmental provisions and labor provisions in NAFTA. The Chamber was worried that Clinton was going to screw it up. If you told a lobbyist your theory about parallel regulations they would laugh.
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