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Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:50 PM

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(1) The blog is the Washington Post's, so it counts as mainstream media.

(2) The Jerusalem Post said the conspiracy theories were coming from bloggers.

(3) Nothing you've put up yet has been "substantiated" in the sense that English-speaking people using the word. I keep waiting for Spanky to come around and kick your ass for saying these things, since I know he cares strongly about such epistomological matters, but maybe he's on vacation or something.

If Israeli bombs didn't kill those kids, who did?
1. WaPo? Is Janet Cooke involved?

2. I'll stick with Haraatz for now.

3. Who?!?!

4. Hezbollah.

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2006 12:50 PM

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I like the Claret and the Rosso too. Maybe we vote the same (I am voting for Lieberman, you?).

I'd like to taste the Rubicon.....
we're just in different markets I suppose, I am a sucessful lawyer and live the part.

like you loved your first wife whereas I don't shop in the "can't run a quarter mile due to obesity" aisle.

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2006 12:51 PM

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Whiff. Try again.
first was better.

Gattigap 08-03-2006 12:52 PM

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They are killers and international criminals. What part of that do you defend or justify? Was Hitler justified? When someone rapes a 5 year old is that somehow justified (maybe, it was good enough for Mohammed???)???

Why do you feel the need to justify terrorists? They represent very clearly who they are and what defines their identity, what part of it do you like or agree with?
See, when you were pressing Ty on whether Hezbollah staged photos or killed their own kids or somesuch shit, I thought you did so in order to make the point that they're even MORE evil fuckers than we thought.

But if you're not saying that -- if you're saying instead that they're the most evilest fuckers the world has ever known from the moment that Bill Kristol said so, then that's cool. Makes your Qana Staging Photo Scandal a bit irrelevant, but I can be down with that. It does sound like your meter's already set to 11, and the posting's becoming a little unhinged, so I suspect we're passing the inflection point in this discussion anyway.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:53 PM

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Hank, that is so fucking awesome. I hear it's the best wine in Detroit, with grapes locally grown in abandoned parking lots. How is it?
Why the hate? He was trying to be helpful. Craft wineries are growing industry. I have no doubt there is some wine coming out of MI and some of it may be worthy of discussion. No offence, but CA's days of prominence (based on quality) in the US wine industry are coming to end.

Gattigap 08-03-2006 12:54 PM

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It's a beautiful place on the Leelanau wine trail. The original post shows ignorance. to question the rise of Michigan wines is ignore list ignorance. I was making a sincere recommendation. www.cicconevineyards.com
Indeed. Why, I see their Pinot Grigio bronzed at the 2004 Michigan State Fair. I take it all back.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 12:54 PM

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first was better.
You're the Orwell fan. Coming from you, it would have been allusive. Penske was just evading the question.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:55 PM

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Whiff. Try again.
I gotta get some work done I will try to come back to it.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 12:55 PM

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4. Hezbollah.
Cite, please. To Ha'aretz, if you like.

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2006 12:55 PM

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Why the hate? He was trying to be helpful. Craft wineries are growing industry. I have no doubt there is some wine coming out of MI and some of it may be worthy of discussion. No offence, but CA's days of prominence (based on quality) in the US wine industry are coming to end.
2. Oregon wines are better than Californian. California is becoming Oregon's Mexico.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:56 PM

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It's a beautiful place on the Leelanau wine trail. The original post shows ignorance. to question the rise of Michigan wines is ignore list ignorance. I was making a sincere recommendation. www.cicconevineyards.com
Take note that I defended you on this issue. You owe me. Maybe a good word with Lady B?

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:56 PM

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we're just in different markets I suppose, I am a sucessful lawyer and live the part.

like you loved your first wife whereas I don't shop in the "can't run a quarter mile due to obesity" aisle.
FD: the Coppolla is for when my wife's family is town.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 12:59 PM

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See, when you were pressing Ty on whether Hezbollah staged photos or killed their own kids or somesuch shit, I thought you did so in order to make the point that they're even MORE evil fuckers than we thought.

But if you're not saying that -- if you're saying instead that they're the most evilest fuckers the world has ever known from the moment that Bill Kristol said so, then that's cool. Makes your Qana Staging Photo Scandal a bit irrelevant, but I can be down with that. It does sound like your meter's already set to 11, and the posting's becoming a little unhinged, so I suspect we're passing the inflection point in this discussion anyway.
Way to invoke the politics of personal destruction. But seriously, please let us know the good/defensible things about Hezbollah that separates the individuals from the bad acts of the group? Or is that the you don't think the acts are so bad? And if so, which ones are you in favour of?

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2006 12:59 PM

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Cite, please. To Ha'aretz, if you like.
note to board Ty made a reference to 1984-

it read "reading Orwell again?"

of course anyone who has actually read Orwell knows this post is confused given Orwell's actual range- it should have read "reading 1984?" which is the edit I thought ty was making. but given the apparent educational level on this board, no one besdies me who realize this, so ty's post would have held water.

Poll: wasn't Ty's first response better?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 12:59 PM

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2. Oregon wines are better than Californian.
For pinot noir, surely. Are there any good Oregon zinfandels?

(N.B. -- White zinfandel doesn't count.)

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California is becoming Oregon's Mexico.
Or Nevada's Portugal?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 01:01 PM

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note to board Ty made a reference to 1984-

it read "reading Orwell again?"

of course anyone who has actually read Orwell knows this post is confused given Orwell's actual range- it should have read "reading 1984?" which is the edit I thought ty was making. but given the apparent educational level on this board, no one besdies me who realize this, so ty's post would have held water.

Poll: wasn't Ty's first response better?
I was also thinking of "Politics and the English Language," so I didn't want to limit myself to 1984. Also, so people who haven't read Orwell are nonetheless familiar with the term "Orwellian" from watching Apple commercials and Eurythmics videos.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:02 PM

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2. Oregon wines are better than Californian. California is becoming Oregon's Mexico.
WA is better too.

And, fwiw, I have had some very good wines from Mexico. And more than $25/btl, if that helps you Hank.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:03 PM

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note to board Ty made a reference to 1984-

it read "reading Orwell again?"

of course anyone who has actually read Orwell knows this post is confused given Orwell's actual range- it should have read "reading 1984?" which is the edit I thought ty was making. but given the apparent educational level on this board, no one besdies me who realize this, so ty's post would have held water.

Poll: wasn't Ty's first response better?

I don't really read his posts for substance, so its hard to distinguish one from the other. Aren't they just cites to Kos (or Quiggan)?

Gattigap 08-03-2006 01:04 PM

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Way to invoke the politics of personal destruction. But seriously, please let us know the good/defensible things about Hezbollah that separates the individuals from the bad acts of the group? Or is that the you don't think the acts are so bad? And if so, which ones are you in favour of?
As I've written for several posts now, regardless of whatever happened in Qana, I'm perfectly happy to stipulate that they're super-duper evil fuckers, and would support killing them and leaving their corpses to be molested afterwards.

My question to you was, since you raised with such confidence the specter of Untoward Events in Qana -- which of those scenarios did you think happened? It's a simple question, yet you're expending real efforts to back away from it.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:05 PM

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For pinot noir, surely. Are there any good Oregon zinfandels?

I stipulate that CA is maintaining is dominance, in both quality and quantity, in the Zin varietal.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:07 PM

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As I've written for several posts now, regardless of whatever happened in Qana, I'm perfectly happy to stipulate that they're super-duper evil fuckers, and would support killing them and leaving their corpses to be molested afterwards.

My question to you was, since you raised with such confidence the specter of Untoward Events in Qana -- which of those scenarios did you think happened? It's a simple question, yet you're expending real efforts to back away from it.

Give me the choices again, my scroll function is down.

Hank Chinaski 08-03-2006 01:10 PM

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Give me the choices again, my scroll function is down.
but before he does, let's be clear it'll just be his opinion posted on the internet. you guys can't cite it later as a fact.

isn't anyone else bothered that the Washington Post would still say 50 some people were killed?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 01:15 PM

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isn't anyone else bothered that the Washington Post would still say 50 some people were killed?
Isn't anyone else bothered that Hank is smearing the Washington Post?

They actually had a reporter, Anthony Shadid, in Qana. His story says that 27 bodies were pulled from that building in Qana, and that "[t]he Lebanese government said that at least 57 people were killed in an Israeli attack on the same village Sunday, 37 of them children." So what's the problem with his story?

taxwonk 08-03-2006 01:20 PM

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IDF is a defensive force.
So is the National Guard.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:21 PM

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Isn't anyone else bothered that Hank is smearing the Washington Post?

Pre-Janet Cooke maybe.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:23 PM

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So is the National Guard.

Yes, and I appreciate what they do for my Hometown.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 01:26 PM

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Pre-Janet Cooke maybe.
I tend to think that the Washington Post's national political coverage is a steaming heap of dung. Their reporters are far more concerned with ensuring continued access to their sources than they are with informing their readers.

Compare what Tom Ricks says in his new book Fiasco -- I haven't read it, but read the reviews -- with what he reported in the WaPo at the same time. Or just read DeLong on the subject.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:30 PM

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I tend to think that the Washington Post's national political coverage is a steaming heap of dung. Their reporters are far more concerned with ensuring continued access to their sources than they are with informing their readers.
That was part of the story on L&O last night. Ripped from the headlines, indeed.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 01:32 PM

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That was part of the story on L&O last night. Ripped from the headlines, indeed.
I'm glad you concur with the problem. Since their sources are often Republican government officials, this has the effect of making their coverage less critical of the government than it would otherwise be.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 01:44 PM

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I'm glad you concur with the problem. .

I concurred? Eh, what the hell, I'm just glad you're glad.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 03:09 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 03:26 PM

Interesting article in the Guardian about the differences between the coverage of the war in the US and the UK.

Me, I don't get (non-sports) news from television.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 05:11 PM

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"Once again Helen, thank you for the Hezbollah view."

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 05:59 PM

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K-Lo, right? Sorry, Helen -- the two of you could be twins."

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 06:02 PM

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K-Lo, right? Sorry, Helen -- the two of you could be twins."
Who is K-Lo?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 06:09 PM

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Who is K-Lo?
An excellent question. James Wolcott has described as the leader of NRO's The Corner, the killer elite of the fighting keyboarders. A better question: Why do people bother to read NRO's The Corner?

Gattigap 08-03-2006 06:19 PM

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A better question: Why do people bother to read NRO's The Corner?
For those who need Republican political erotica, I suppose it's comforting to have a place to go 24/7.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 06:24 PM

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An excellent question. James Wolcott has described as the leader of NRO's The Corner, the killer elite of the fighting keyboarders. A better question: Why do people bother to read NRO's The Corner?
Hmmmm.

A couple of thoughts:

-I don't know conservative bloggers anymore than I know liberal ones, except to the extent you quote the latter group here.

-Notwithstanding the foregoing, I have madd internet serch skilz and I now know who K-Lo is.

-The joke in your caption is not so funny. While both women are, how shall we say, less than smashingly beautiful, they don't really look like alike. Frankly, I am shocked that people don't turn to stone when they eye Helen Thomas in person, although part of me wonders if the secret service places invisible blocking screens in front of her at all public events.

Penske_Account 08-03-2006 06:28 PM

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For those who need Republican political erotica, I suppose it's comforting to have a place to go 24/7.
Personally I go to Mimi Miyagi's (or whatever her irl name is) site. She's got more erotic fire power than anyone in the Dem camp.

Between Helen Thomas, Hillary and Nancy Pelosi I don't know whether to rip my eyes out with a broach or hack my dick off with a plastic spoon.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-03-2006 06:33 PM

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-The joke in your caption is not so funny. While both women are, how shall we say, less than smashingly beautiful, they don't really look like alike. Frankly, I am shocked that people don't turn to stone when they eye Helen Thomas in person, although part of me wonders if the secret service places invisible blocking screens in front of her at all public events.
I don't actually know what K-Lo looks like -- never even seen a picture. But I think it's sad that either gets mocked for their looks. No one gives a shit what David Broder looks like.

You are correct. It wasn't funny. Sorry. I'll try harder next time.


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