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taxwonk 07-19-2004 05:57 PM

White Sox Trade for Carl Everett
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The downside to your infinitely witty post is that we all have this running through our heads:

Boom boom acka-lacka lacka boom
Boom boom acka-lacka boom boom
Boom boom acka-lacka lacka boom
Boom boom acka-lacka boom boom
No. the downside is that she didn't make it clear enough whether she was letting me know in her own subtle way that I still have a shot with her, or if she was just getting Timmy on fringey's ass.

I'm so confused.

ltl/fb 07-19-2004 06:03 PM

White Sox Trade for Carl Everett
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
No. the downside is that she didn't make it clear enough whether she was letting me know in her own subtle way that I still have a shot with her, or if she was just getting Timmy on fringey's ass.

I'm so confused.
While I can certainly see the appeal that both (a) and (b) would hold for you, I think the actual answer is (c), she was just being silly.

But dtb can rule on whether it was correct for you to say "I wish I was X so that my current condition would be Y."

taxwonk 07-19-2004 06:10 PM

White Sox Trade for Carl Everett
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
While I can certainly see the appeal that both (a) and (b) would hold for you, I think the actual answer is (c), she was just being silly.

But dtb can rule on whether it was correct for you to say "I wish I was X so that my current condition would be Y."
I'm sure you're right, but a boy can hope, can't he?

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 07-21-2004 02:09 PM

For Not Bob
 
On July 27th, a bronze statue of Bob Hartley, the psychologist portrayed by Bob Newhart in the Bob Newhart Show will be unveiled on Michigan Avenue at the address where his fictional office was supposed to be.

No word on whether the local bums (homeless for the more PC among us) who plan to take up residence by the statue will drink every time a passerby says "Hi, Bob!" to the statue...


Link

Not Bob 07-21-2004 02:26 PM

My Kind of Town
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
On July 27th, a bronze statue of Bob Hartley, the psychologist portrayed by Bob Newhart in the Bob Newhart Show will be unveiled on Michigan Avenue at the address where his fictional office was supposed to be.

No word on whether the local bums (homeless for the more PC among us) who plan to take up residence by the statue will drink every time a passerby says "Hi, Bob!" to the statue...
Sniff. It makes me wish that I hadn't lost the picture of Dr. Robert Hartley that was my original avatar.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 07-27-2004 02:56 PM

My Kind of Town
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Sniff. It makes me wish that I hadn't lost the picture of Dr. Robert Hartley that was my original avatar.
Here's a photo from today's unveiling:

Link

Say_hello_for_me 07-27-2004 05:36 PM

More than you ever wanted to know about suicide by commuter train
 
Apparently I missed this article when it first appeared last month, but now its being reproduced as a masterpiece. The Trib's transportation writer (Hilkevitch) wrote a long-ass article about suicide by commuter train. As an aside, this guy has certainly found his niche... he does an awesome job writing about Chicago's transporation issues. Anyhoo:

http://www.ble.org/pr/news/headline.asp?id=10929

Whudda thunk that there have been more than 450 Chicago area train fatalities since 1990 or something like that. And that 1/2 or more of them are suicides.

Or that the mirrors on Tokyo train platforms are for suicidal Japanese commuters to face themselves in the mirror one last time before they ruin the day for thousands of others by jumping in front of a train.

Kind of a random article, but maybe it will help one of you to convince your kids not to walk on or near tracks.

Hello

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-02-2004 07:10 PM

New Vault Rankings Out
 
Some are free, some are not.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-04-2004 04:11 PM

Batmobile sighting...
 
Saw the new Batmobile the other night leaving work, as they are filming Batman Begins near my office. Looks pretty sweet. Aintitcoolnews.com has film of it in action shot by fans for those interested. Hoping this movie gets away from the campy stuff and is darker like the first two from the last series of films.

No Katie Holmes or Christian Bale sightings yet.

taxwonk 08-05-2004 03:36 PM

Arrest in Plot to Blow Up Dirksen Building
 
According to the Trib, a Chicagoan named Gale William Nettles, has been arrested for plotting to blow up the Dirksen Federal Building. Life in the big city just gets dangerouser and dangerouser every day.

taxwonk 08-05-2004 03:38 PM

WTF?
 
Alan Keyes for Senator?

Say_hello_for_me 08-06-2004 09:35 AM

Arrest in Plot to Blow Up Dirksen Building
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
According to the Trib, a Chicagoan named Gale William Nettles, has been arrested for plotting to blow up the Dirksen Federal Building. Life in the big city just gets dangerouser and dangerouser every day.
What gets me a bit emotionally pissed off about this story is that threats against Federal Judges have been made multiple times in the recent past in Chicago. The ND and 7th Cir. are groups of judges whom I greatly admire (with an exception here or there, of course), and the wild west atmosphere in the city is just deplorable.

Tying the two recent threads together, I hope Obama plays the role of a Mr. Smith. It would be great to see the guy only ally himself to other Mr. Cleans, liberal though they otherwise may be.

Hello

08-06-2004 12:12 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Longtime poster, but definitely outable that I'm talking to these guys.

Anybody in Chicago have any insight into this firm? Good, bad, indifferent? I'm looking at their IP/media practice. Any guesses on salary range for a midlevel (5-6 years) lateral?

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-06-2004 12:21 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sock for another post
Longtime poster, but definitely outable that I'm talking to these guys.

Anybody in Chicago have any insight into this firm? Good, bad, indifferent? I'm looking at their IP/media practice. Any guesses on salary range for a midlevel (5-6 years) lateral?
Don't know anyone there personally, but they have a solid reputation regionally. Primarily known for litigation work -- a group there that specializes in defending gun manufacturers from mass tort litigation is very well-known. Can't provide specific insight on IP/Media.

They pay market for 1st tier in Chicago, so a 5th-6th year lateral should be between $160k (5th year) to upwards of $175k (6th year).

Not much, but hope it helps.

08-06-2004 03:04 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Don't know anyone there personally, but they have a solid reputation regionally. Primarily known for litigation work -- a group there that specializes in defending gun manufacturers from mass tort litigation is very well-known. Can't provide specific insight on IP/Media.

They pay market for 1st tier in Chicago, so a 5th-6th year lateral should be between $160k (5th year) to upwards of $175k (6th year).

Not much, but hope it helps.
Very helpful, thank you.

Anyone else? Wonk? Coltrane? mmmm? hello? Any thoughts from you guys would be much, much appreciated.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-06-2004 03:23 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sock for another post
Very helpful, thank you.

Anyone else? Wonk? Coltrane? mmmm? hello? Any thoughts from you guys would be much, much appreciated.
Good luck. Let us know in the future (privately if you prefer) if/when we have a new Chicago poster to add to the ranks...

taxwonk 08-06-2004 06:37 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sock for another post
Very helpful, thank you.

Anyone else? Wonk? Coltrane? mmmm? hello? Any thoughts from you guys would be much, much appreciated.
Unfortunately, all I have on these guys is a general vibe that they have overcome a former reputation for being a sheap sweatshop, and that they are supposed t be pretty decent now. I don't have any real specifics, though.

Say_hello_for_me 08-06-2004 06:48 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sock for another post
Very helpful, thank you.

Anyone else? Wonk? Coltrane? mmmm? hello? Any thoughts from you guys would be much, much appreciated.
I have insight. On or about 2000, their practice group head was a soft-IP guy. They had what seemed like a hodge-podge of IP people. A few interesting litigators, lots of nice patent partners and associates etc.

I must say though, its always fun to watch the interaction between e.g., patent types, e.g., from third tier schools, and soft-IP/non-IP types, from e.g., Michigan and Northwestern or whatever. Its like mixing martians and venetians in the cutthroat GP world. Personally, I think everyone would get along better if they just put the patent people in the penthouse suites and left them alone. But I digress.

I quit keeping track of them long ago, but my understanding was that at least a few of the patent people left quickly to open their own shop. Most of the people I met there seemed like very nice people.

Rumors on this and *other* boards, has the source of any discord possibly being the practice group head. But that's not my bone to pick.

For IP type stuff in Chicago, I swear I'd be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on Barnes & Thornburgh or Michael Best. There was at least one ugly series of stories coming out of Michael Best last year, but I'm not even sure if I believe it still.

Hello

taxwonk 08-10-2004 04:34 PM

Dave the Dumper
 
I always believed that Dave matthews's stuf was watery shit. Now he's gone and proven me right.

Thoughts, comments, collective giggles?

Say_hello_for_me 08-10-2004 05:39 PM

Dave the Dumper
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I always believed that Dave matthews's stuf was watery shit. Now he's gone and proven me right.

Thoughts, comments, collective giggles?
This was so gross that I couldn't bring myself to even smile. Seriously, and I am smiling like a retard 89% of the time, or so I'm told.

I don't believe in coincidence, so however it happened, iI think it certainly wasn't an accident (though I'm not saying they were aiming for anything other than moving water).

That said, I'd love to see the quality of the eyewitness accounts. If someone has a credible eyewitness account of the plate number and the discharge-in-progress, than someone should be going to jail (not necessarily Cook County) for 12 to 18 months for this. This wasn't just a random attack on random tourists, it was a sickening attack on the entire city at a time when the city has enough problems of its own.

Hello

ETA that this is now the poll on chicagotribune dot com. 51% of respondents so far say it matters not that it was Dave Matthews, the whole incident just stinks. I should run for mayor or something.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-10-2004 05:47 PM

Dave the Dumper
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I always believed that Dave matthews's stuf was watery shit. Now he's gone and proven me right.

Thoughts, comments, collective giggles?
I think I have proof of his involvement -- according to one of their fansites, they opened their Sunday show with the song "Don't Drink the Water"... :shock:

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-10-2004 07:47 PM

Dave the Dumper
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
I think I have proof of his involvement -- according to one of their fansites, they opened their Sunday show with the song "Don't Drink the Water"... :shock:
Roe Conn on WLS just went through a list of other possible suspects, since Dave Matthews' people claim their buses were parked at that time and their driver called in from downstate and had a cop verify his "tank" was still full.

Other possibilities in town that night include Loverboy, Linkin Park, Korn (possibly -- where's Coltrane when I need a good corn and poop joke?) and Snoop Dogg (though the bus was not in a cloud at the time of the incident)... DNA testing may be necessary.

08-12-2004 11:15 AM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I have insight. On or about 2000, their practice group head was a soft-IP guy. They had what seemed like a hodge-podge of IP people. A few interesting litigators, lots of nice patent partners and associates etc.

I must say though, its always fun to watch the interaction between e.g., patent types, e.g., from third tier schools, and soft-IP/non-IP types, from e.g., Michigan and Northwestern or whatever. Its like mixing martians and venetians in the cutthroat GP world. Personally, I think everyone would get along better if they just put the patent people in the penthouse suites and left them alone. But I digress.

I quit keeping track of them long ago, but my understanding was that at least a few of the patent people left quickly to open their own shop. Most of the people I met there seemed like very nice people.

Rumors on this and *other* boards, has the source of any discord possibly being the practice group head. But that's not my bone to pick.

For IP type stuff in Chicago, I swear I'd be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts on Barnes & Thornburgh or Michael Best. There was at least one ugly series of stories coming out of Michael Best last year, but I'm not even sure if I believe it still.

Hello
Thanks, everyone for your comments. I'll let everyone know if I'm changing regional affliliations. I'm talking to WHAD soon, so we'll see.

Interestingly, one of the things I found somewhat attractive is the fact that their "IP" department is not just a "patent" department. I will keep my eyes open for any evidence of infighting, though.

Thanks once again,

SFAP

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-16-2004 08:12 PM

Oprah's Jury Duty
 
She got selected and is hearing a three-day murder trial starting today at 26th and Cal. Apparently she was selected despite saying she would have trouble being impartial if a defendant did not take the stand in their own defense. Hmmm...

What I cannot understand is why this is headline news here. Sure, Oprah is huge in Chicago (sometimes literally AND figuratively), but this is not news. Yes, it's mildly interesting, but that's it.

Link

Say_hello_for_me 08-16-2004 09:57 PM

Oprah's Jury Duty
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
She got selected and is hearing a three-day murder trial starting today at 26th and Cal. Apparently she was selected despite saying she would have trouble being impartial if a defendant did not take the stand in their own defense. Hmmm...

What I cannot understand is why this is headline news here. Sure, Oprah is huge in Chicago (sometimes literally AND figuratively), but this is not news. Yes, it's mildly interesting, but that's it.

Link
Oh, I don't know. I think its sort of news. At least, its something people read when they see it, whereas I still tend to skip lots of other headlines.

Any idea where the murder took place?

He(In other news, Daley has looked like he's on the ropes the past 2 weeks... when was the last thing he's said something bad about George Bush in public?)llo

mmm3587 08-18-2004 01:52 PM

Wildman Harold Allan & Dixon
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sock for another post
Very helpful, thank you.

Anyone else? Wonk? Coltrane? mmmm? hello? Any thoughts from you guys would be much, much appreciated.
I don't have much else to add. I know of them, but not that much. In my mind, they are among the best-regarded of the truly regional firms in Chicago that try to excel locally, have the occasional national matter and try to be decent places to work. I think that the sweatshop rumors are quite old now; I've worked briefly with or against them on matters, and everyone seemed pretty happy. That was transactional work, but when I last worked with them, when the market was busier in that subject matter than it is now, they were mostly working modified 9-5 schedules, say 8-6 with the occasional weekend or all-nighter.

However, I would be very suprised if they truly match market for anything beyond second years or third years. Or if they match them for people not working 2200 hours a year or more. From what I understand about their billing rates, they probably can't afford to pay rainmakers what they need to if they're reallying paying a bunch of fifrth year associates $185k when they're probably billing at $300/hr or lower.

mmm3587 08-18-2004 01:58 PM

Chicago Biglaw market compensation
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
They pay market for 1st tier in Chicago, so a 5th-6th year lateral should be between $160k (5th year) to upwards of $175k (6th year).
I didn't catch this before, but I usually consider

1st year $125,000
2nd yesr $135,000
3rd year $150,000
4th year $165,000
5th year $185,000
6th year $205,000
7th year $225,000

to be market in Chicago, with significant variation and compression beginning in the fifth year. I think that there are at least half a dozen firms that pay on this scale. Many (including perhaps WHAD) also adhere to a modified scheme where they start associates at $125,000 and do raises or approximately $10,000 most years.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-18-2004 02:34 PM

Chicago Biglaw market compensation
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mmm3587
I didn't catch this before, but I usually consider

1st year $125,000
2nd yesr $135,000
3rd year $150,000
4th year $165,000
5th year $185,000
6th year $205,000
7th year $225,000

to be market in Chicago, with significant variation and compression beginning in the fifth year. I think that there are at least half a dozen firms that pay on this scale. Many (including perhaps WHAD) also adhere to a modified scheme where they start associates at $125,000 and do raises or approximately $10,000 most years.
1-4 is right on, but 5-7 is more compressed than that from the information I have... more like $175k, $190k, $210 give or take 5 each way.

Say_hello_for_me 08-18-2004 03:07 PM

Oprah's Jury Duty
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me

Any idea where the murder took place?

And to answer my own question, today's (Sun-Times?) indicates Kostner and West End (Lawndale). Basically, not too far from the Kostner exit of the Eisenhower.

mmm3587 08-20-2004 07:25 PM

"Make the changes like the monkey fucking scribe that you are."
 
Apparently, a profane voicemail from one associate to another is circulating via e-mail. Recipient takes the ultimate revenge and mails it all over the country. Sender sounds like an asshole, but uses his and his firm's name; recipient is mentioned only by first name. Regardless, an instant classic...

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-23-2004 12:37 PM

"Make the changes like the monkey fucking scribe that you are."
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mmm3587
Apparently, a profane voicemail from one associate to another is circulating via e-mail. Recipient takes the ultimate revenge and mails it all over the country. Sender sounds like an asshole, but uses his and his firm's name; recipient is mentioned only by first name. Regardless, an instant classic...
I've only read a transcript, but frankly I've heard of worse. Definitely something no one should say, or especially leave on someone's voicemail, but at the same time the distribution of it by the recipient strikes me as a little troubling as well. Settle your arguments face to face. I'm hearing, though, that the recipient may have only intended the distribution to be in-house and it got out of hand.

In the interests of full disclosure, I know of, but don't personally know, the person who left the message.

notcasesensitive 08-23-2004 12:47 PM

"Make the changes like the monkey fucking scribe that you are."
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
I've only read a transcript, but frankly I've heard of worse. Definitely something no one should say, or especially leave on someone's voicemail, but at the same time the distribution of it by the recipient strikes me as a little troubling as well. Settle your arguments face to face. I'm hearing, though, that the recipient may have only intended the distribution to be in-house and it got out of hand.

In the interests of full disclosure, I know of, but don't personally know, the person who left the message.
This website has the sound file of the voicemail: http://www.kinsellalaw.com/

The guy who left the voicemail sounds like a dickhead and shouldn't have left the voicemail, but I agree that it isn't particularly newsworthy (I've dealt with opposing counsel like him on more than one occasion). Might hurt his partnership prospects if he's up soon (seems like he should be based on his class year) and if many Winston partners get wind of it. Pretty embarrassing.

mmm3587 08-23-2004 04:35 PM

"Make the changes like the monkey fucking scribe that you are."
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This website has the sound file of the voicemail: http://www.kinsellalaw.com/

The guy who left the voicemail sounds like a dickhead and shouldn't have left the voicemail, but I agree that it isn't particularly newsworthy (I've dealt with opposing counsel like him on more than one occasion). Might hurt his partnership prospects if he's up soon (seems like he should be based on his class year) and if many Winston partners get wind of it. Pretty embarrassing.
I hate dealing with people like this, but it's always nice when they do stupid shit like this.

From the back story I've heard around town, the VM sender was sending a bunch of e-mails in the day before a closing doing things like changing notice addresses because he and his firm hadn't caught them earlier. VM recipient got fed up with repeated changes immediately before closing and after a completed pre-closing process. I can understand how annoying that is when you're dealing with a very defined process like a loan and real estate transaction, and in the same situation, I've rejected changes like that and required that they be made in an amendment after closing. Anyway, VM recipient decided to make changes but sent an e-mail saying that there should be no further non-substantive changes, which resulted in the VM. I think the method of sending the VM around is pretty underhanded, since there are probably ethical considerations associated with publicizing private and potentially privileged messages. However, I love the fact that another slash and burn asshole got his comeuppance. I'd love to have a good enough relationship with the client in that situation that he or she will send a few e-mails or messages to put a guy like that is his place, or even hold the deal for a day or two. That would be perfect. I wonder how this all turned out.

taxwonk 09-02-2004 02:47 PM

A new Contender
 
Buona Beef, a suburban shop. It ain't Mr. Beef on Orleans, but it beats Al's. And that's saying something.

Say_hello_for_me 09-02-2004 02:55 PM

A new Contender
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Buona Beef, a suburban shop. It ain't Mr. Beef on Orleans, but it beats Al's. And that's saying something.
Where's it at?

taxwonk 09-02-2004 03:09 PM

A new Contender
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Where's it at?
They have a few of them, apparently. The one I go to is in Naperville, where Naperville Road runs into Ogden.

hfackert 09-13-2004 04:04 PM

Electronic Discover Job Opportunity - Chicago
 
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To apply please send resume in MS Word format to hr@KrollOntrack.com and reference "Legal Consultant" in the subject line.


ETA -- Please do not spam the boards with new threads. Mgmt.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 09-20-2004 04:02 PM

Report of Shooting at IL Capitol
 
Just heard a report of a shooting at the Illinois Capitol Building in Springfield...

taxwonk 09-21-2004 12:20 PM

Report of Shooting at IL Capitol
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Just heard a report of a shooting at the Illinois Capitol Building in Springfield...
WXRT reported this morning that a man had shot and killed an unarmed security guard at the Capitol after robbing two gun stores. He was arrested this morning in Springfield, as a result of phone tips identifying him and giving his location.

ETA I don't get all my news from the Daily show. I get the local stuff on the radio.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 09-22-2004 04:17 PM

Thanks for the car (and the tax bill), Oprah!
 
As many of us suspected when the great Oprah car giveaway was announced, there is a catch...

Turns out the recipients can pick their cars up between now and Feb. of next year -- as soon as they get the $$$ together to pay the federal income taxes on the prize. The taxes may amount to as much as $7,125, depending on the tax bracket the prize drives the recipient into. Some of the winners are expressing dismay that they now have to figure out where to come up with the money.

Gee, thanks Oprah!


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