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Tyrone Slothrop 09-12-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Here's where you lose me. He would not be making a lot less. He would make $15 mil this year if he's worth it. He would never make $15 mil in year five of a contract because only a lunatic would sign a huge long term contract under a salary cap for an NFL player (especially a quarterback).
His earnings over the next five years are going to be less than the $75M he theoretically will make under that contract.

If you agree that Bledsoe would make less if he were signing a guaranteed contract, than I'm not sure where you disagree with Burger or me.

The question is, why would Bledsoe rather sign an unguaranteed contract with a high face value than a guaranteed contract for less money? One possible answer is that agents fool their clients, and tell them they've got them a massive contract, pointing to the back end.

andViolins 09-12-2006 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
You know what? any attractive woman worth her salt can find this type of set up. TM casting negative aspersions in my direction, aside, back in the day I had lots of options with successful men, however, I chafed at ceding control. It ain't no thing if you know what I'm saying. I'm not on the social register but anyone can find some gavone who made it big on the stock market...
I've read the above quoted paragraph several times now. I have no idea what you're saying. Granted, its late in the day and I am tired, but I'm totally clueless. I did, however, google gavone. Found something in an urban dictionary. As best as I can decipher, you didn't want to give up the control of working a crappy job paying you lots of money to instead marry a fake Italian man (or, instead, an Italian man who eats too much) who made lots of money on Wall St.? Is that what the above means?

Why is either a phony Italian who talks like and quotes from the Sopranos or a fat Italian man who eats too much the definition of a successful man? Why are those your only options? Why couldn't you marry the fat fake Italian man and then just bust his balls to continue to assert control?

Why not put some lotion on to stop the chafing?

What "ain't no thing?" What is the thing? Do you really talk like that? Perhaps that is why you are drawn to the fake Italians? Because you talk (or at least type) in some strange convoluted language that only you and Hank (Hi Hank!) seem to understand?

Like I said, I just don't know what you're saying.

aV

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why not just hook?

Careful. When TM suggested that, she went all stalker-psycho.

Paisley 09-12-2006 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys
That's not Rocky. The guy to the left of Frank Furter is Rocky.

http://www.qcinema.com/images/films/...ture_show1.jpg
Yes, I know. But, to me, Frank epitomizes the film. It was my first midnight movie - I remember it fondly.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-12-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys

Easterbrook has written lots on this.
Is there anything he has written that he hasn't written lots on? One thing's for sure--he probably never had to shrink the margins or increase the line spacing to make the page length assignments in high school.

patentparanyc 09-12-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Careful. When TM suggested that, she went all stalker-psycho.
How did I go all stalker psycho? I know you like to make me the butt of jokes, Sidd but I have not barraged him with emails or even PMs. I've been discreet and kept it to the board. If anything he's on a campaign to paint me as ugly. what stalker psycho??? I take issue with that statement.

futbol fan 09-12-2006 06:31 PM

A Modest Proposal
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you started off this chain of sanscrit talking about a game with odds of 33-1. sounds to me like putting Celtic on the TV isn't going to help soccer on its skyrocket climb. no offense.
None taken. And thanks for a typically clear and trenchant observation. The point is that there are games that are worth seeing -- ManU v. Celtic being one of them for a whole host of reasons aside from the odds -- but they generally do not appear on FSW.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
I think that the hypothetical had her resigning her job and staying at home after marrying said successful person.

Kind of like her husband did after he met her?

patentparanyc 09-12-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Kind of like her husband did after he met her?
Wow, I'm touched Sidd, you called me *successful* sigh.

SEC_Chick 09-12-2006 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I agree. I don't hate what I do. I don't love it and get out of bed excited every day for it, but I don't hate it. I manged to find a job that keeps me relatively interested, and there's enough variety that I don't get that bored. I also don't make as much as a lot of other lawyers because I got out of the billable hours gig a long time ago. But I generally can stroll in here at 9:30 or so and leave by 6ish. I haven't had to work a weekend in three years. And I have a geeky little area of law that also gets me excited. I'm one of the few people around here that understands it, which gives me a lot of job security.

I think about getting out. I think about writing something that gets published or made into a movie. I think about my empire of sex toy shops. I think about a wine bar/bookstore. I think about running away to New Mexico and doing god knows what. But right now, this works for me.
Ditto for me. Well, except the part about getting out. I daydream about it sometimes, but only because I would rather be home with the Chicklet, which unfortunately is not a six figure gig. I have a pretty sweet in-house position and despite the fact that I make what first years are making these crazy days, I genuinely like the people that I work with now and I don't have to dread Friday afternoon phone calls from Asshole Partner. Can't remember the last time I worked on a weekend, have flex time which gets me more time with the baby, and I no longer get sick to my stomach on Sunday nights or wish to get in a car wreck on the way to work so that I don't have to go.

nononono 09-12-2006 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
How did I go all stalker psycho? I know you like to make me the butt of jokes, Sidd but I have not barraged him with emails or even PMs. I've been discreet and kept it to the board. If anything he's on a campaign to paint me as ugly. what stalker psycho??? I take issue with that statement.
"Discreet" = "kept it to the board"?

Are we in Bizarro World?

andViolins, 2.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-12-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The long-term NFL contracts are a joke. You know that, Ty knows that, TO knows that. The only person who doesn't know it is your mama, who Hank convinced has to keep blowing him for a dollar a year for seven years. Players are getting signed to short-term contracts that are called long term so that they can spread out the signing bonus over 6 years (or whatever the max is) under the salary cap.

What you're saying is that the team should honor the long-term contract that it knows and the player knows are bogus. They all know that when they sign it. They wouldn't get signed at all if they were ever going to be enforced. So how does your system make anythign better? Bledsoe signs a two-year contract that's guaranteed for $3m, instead of a 6 year contract for $15m, with $3m over the first two years, and then he gets cut. What's the difference?
Most players aren't paid huge signing bonuses. The difference is the guy who has been playing behind someone else and signs a contract worth $1.5 million a year for 5 years because he hasn't proven himself, but can't find a better offer, and goes out and has a pro-bowl season or two is getting fucked for the remainder of that contract. He has to live with it.

If another guy has a few great years as an offensive lineman in a scheme that fully takes advantages of his talents, negotiates a decent guaranteed bonus and a better contract because the future is bright and the team hires Mike Tice, who proceeds to use him as a punt returner (and he injures himself or loses any semblance of market value), the team does not have to live with the contract.

I really don't understand why you have an issue with guaranteed cotnracts. And neither one of you has answered my questions about why players in other leagues want it so bad. Or why NFL owners don't voluntarily give it up if it doesn't benefit them.

TM

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
"hooking" is illegal. Paralegaling while it can be annoying is not a bad job. and is legal. and hooking is gross. just gross.

you know some feminists say that houswivery is a form of hooking so you go figure, boys.

Some feminists also say that heterosexual sex is rape with the addition of meaningful looks.

In academia, one needs to find outrageous and shocking things to say to attract attention. Grounding them in truth, reason, or even honest opinion is of distantly secondary importance.

(One could equate the latter to the internet, where certain people talk on and on about how hot they are without apparent connection to reality. But doing that would be beating a dead horse, so I'll refrain.)

Tyrone Slothrop 09-12-2006 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is there anything he has written that he hasn't written lots on? One thing's for sure--he probably never had to shrink the margins or increase the line spacing to make the page length assignments in high school.
He probably got in trouble for including pictures of cheerleaders, though.

NotFromHere 09-12-2006 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Paisley
Yes, I know. But, to me, Frank epitomizes the film. It was my first midnight movie - I remember it fondly.
A TOAST!
http://www.co.mohave.az.us/WIC/images/toast.gif

Penske_Account 09-12-2006 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Uh, ok. But why does that mean I can't hate him for it?


TM
It doesn't. I wasn't contesting that or at least wasn't meaning to. I don't love Lance, I don't hate him, but I do think he doped and he's full of shit when he says he didn't. Also, from what I know, that predates cancer and Tour victouries et al, he is not the Mr. Congeniality his marketing effourts portray.


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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall


I know you don't have a huge issue with it. It just makes me not care about the sport at all (much like track the past however many years -- and the Steroid Era's home run hitters).

TM
It's a fringe sport, no offence fringey. Otoh, no matter how many drugs these guys use, the Tour is fucking hard. Probably the hardest endurance event out there.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by andViolins
I've read the above quoted paragraph several times now. I have no idea what you're saying. Granted, its late in the day and I am tired, but I'm totally clueless. I did, however, google gavone. Found something in an urban dictionary. As best as I can decipher, you didn't want to give up the control of working a crappy job paying you lots of money to instead marry a fake Italian man (or, instead, an Italian man who eats too much) who made lots of money on Wall St.? Is that what the above means?

Why is either a phony Italian who talks like and quotes from the Sopranos or a fat Italian man who eats too much the definition of a successful man? Why are those your only options? Why couldn't you marry the fat fake Italian man and then just bust his balls to continue to assert control?

Why not put some lotion on to stop the chafing?

What "ain't no thing?" What is the thing? Do you really talk like that? Perhaps that is why you are drawn to the fake Italians? Because you talk (or at least type) in some strange convoluted language that only you and Hank (Hi Hank!) seem to understand?

Like I said, I just don't know what you're saying.

aV

Don't be such a mook.

Replaced_Texan 09-12-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
His earnings over the next five years are going to be less than the $75M he theoretically will make under that contract.

If you agree that Bledsoe would make less if he were signing a guaranteed contract, than I'm not sure where you disagree with Burger or me.

The question is, why would Bledsoe rather sign an unguaranteed contract with a high face value than a guaranteed contract for less money? One possible answer is that agents fool their clients, and tell them they've got them a massive contract, pointing to the back end.
Could be that the big number contracts mean automatic hype in the newspapers, which translates into bigger endorsement money. The publicity of the unguaranteed seven year $100 million contract is probably worth a good ten million or so in endorsements.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
How did I go all stalker psycho? I know you like to make me the butt of jokes, Sidd but I have not barraged him with emails or even PMs. I've been discreet and kept it to the board. If anything he's on a campaign to paint me as ugly. what stalker psycho??? I take issue with that statement.

Apologies. I was thinking of someone pretty.

ltl/fb 09-12-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
Non-law job, insane micro-managing boss, working nights and weekends for the kind of money Hank uses to pre-wipe his ass with, a "fluid" job description that took her further and further from the job she wanted to do when she went there, etc.

If she ditches me and takes the kids that means I can finally realize my dream of living in a van down by the river. Wanna come over?
I have a guest room.

ltl/fb 09-12-2006 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Nonetheless, NotBob, isn't there some saying that goes "The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world"?

Something like that, right?
Then why did you get divorced?

Tyrone Slothrop 09-12-2006 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I really don't understand why you have an issue with guaranteed cotnracts. And neither one of you has answered my questions about why players in other leagues want it so bad. Or why NFL owners don't voluntarily give it up if it doesn't benefit them.
Every player should want a guaranteed contract. Top players in baseball and basketball have a little more negotiating clout to get them, because individual players make more difference to a team's success and because careers are longer. NFL careers are so short that many more football contracts are signed when no one has a particularly good idea whether the player will be any good at all.

greatwhitenorthchick 09-12-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Nonetheless, NotBob, isn't there some saying that goes "The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world"?

Something like that, right?
I thought it was "the hand that pets the kitty-cat..." but I have probably been watching too much Austin Powers.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
I no longer get sick to my stomach on Sunday nights or wish to get in a car wreck on the way to work so that I don't have to go.

I think I've found a new definition for "time to quit."

Coltrane, how close are you to this point? On a regular basis?

Form an exit strategy, and start implementing it -- before it gets too late, and you need to just walk.

ltl/fb 09-12-2006 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by ironweed
With no wife and kids, and no job, and lots of walking back and forth from the bodega to my van down by the river, I will be all kinds of sinewy in no. time. flat.
Do you work for your in-laws or something? I said ditch wife, kids -- not ditch job.

Sidd Finch 09-12-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Then why did you get divorced?

Because she was Queen of her Domain, and she wanted to change the subject.


Ba-dum-bum. Thanks, I'll be here all week. Tip the staff.

patentparanyc 09-12-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Apologies. I was thinking of someone pretty.
Sidd give it a rest you haven't met me and have no idea if I am indeed in fact pretty.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-12-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
His earnings over the next five years are going to be less than the $75M he theoretically will make under that contract.

If you agree that Bledsoe would make less if he were signing a guaranteed contract, than I'm not sure where you disagree with Burger or me.
I think Bledsoe would rather have a 2 year guaranteed contract worth $30 million than a sham five year $75 million one that could leave him open to constant renegotiation and termination at any point after the ink dries.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The question is, why would Bledsoe rather sign an unguaranteed contract with a high face value than a guaranteed contract for less money? One possible answer is that agents fool their clients, and tell them they've got them a massive contract, pointing to the back end.
That sounds like a chapter in the book I can't wait to read.

TM

nononono 09-12-2006 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Then why did you get divorced?
Divorce doesn't change mother-ness.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-12-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Every player should want a guaranteed contract. Top players in baseball and basketball have a little more negotiating clout to get them, because individual players make more difference to a team's success and because careers are longer. NFL careers are so short that many more football contracts are signed when no one has a particularly good idea whether the player will be any good at all.
They also seem to want to take the risk. Why don't they buy a massively expensive insurance policy with the huge bonus, that pays if their career ends? Apparently they like the risk or are willing to take it.

patentparanyc 09-12-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Nonetheless, NotBob, isn't there some saying that goes "The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world"?

Something like that, right?
I take no issue with staying at home my husband does and the kids are doing so well. It is an admirable job and the kids benefit greatly.

I take issue with your "shock and surprise" that I'm not all like coveting your situation and all jealous. frankly, I could care less. It ain't the ideal situation but no ones is but it is yours. so go with that. don't look for reassurance from the board.

futbol fan 09-12-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Do you work for your in-laws or something? I said ditch wife, kids -- not ditch job.
With no wife or kids, why would I work? The van is all paid off.

patentparanyc 09-12-2006 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Divorce doesn't change mother-ness.
sure it does. assuming she had kids at the time why would she do that to them? if she didn't whatever.

bold_n_brazen 09-12-2006 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Then why did you get divorced?
I don't understand the question. Or rather, I don't understand what one has to do with the other.

I think that plenty of women stay home without feeling like they've "ceded control". In fact, I know a whole bunch of women who feel like they're in charge, regardless of who makes the money.

I got divorced because I didn't want to be married any more, specifically to my husband. Money, and by extension control, was never really an issue in our divorce.

Hank Chinaski 09-12-2006 06:46 PM

"You're young and you got your health. What do you want with a job?"
 
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Originally posted by ironweed
With no wife or kids, why would I work? The van is all paid off.
the van get cable?

Penske_Account 09-12-2006 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
and I no longer get sick to my stomach on Sunday nights or wish to get in a car wreck on the way to work so that I don't have to go.
Merde, please tell me I am not all alone in these feelings now........ :sobbing:

greatwhitenorthchick 09-12-2006 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by patentparanyc
sure it does. assuming she had kids at the time why would she do that to them? if she didn't whatever.
2, AV.

str8outavannuys 09-12-2006 06:46 PM

A Modest Proposal
 
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Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
The FSC line up has kind of been sucking recently, except for the weekend. Last Wednesday night, instead of getting a replay of France-Italy, we get Germany-San Marino. 13-0 Germany, in case you missed it. Yes, 13. Here is a link to a link to FSC's line up. Tomorrow night? Women's college soccer!

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/920998
Women's College Soccer made Sports Center's top 10 plays recently. It took four seconds for UNC to score on Yale (doh!) The goalie was a bit out of position and couldn't stop the half-court shot on the opening face-off (or whatever they call it). Pretty impressive, actually.

ltl/fb 09-12-2006 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Divorce doesn't change mother-ness.
Yes, but it seemed like she was saying the hand that rocks the cradle rules whatever domain is in question, and if she was totally in charge and got whatever she wanted, why would she need the divorce?

[I know, lots of reasons -- it just seemed like given the topic and the fact that she didn't want to have husband around, saying that the stay-at-home parent controls more than the working-for-the-money parent seemed . . . silly.]

Tyrone Slothrop 09-12-2006 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I think Bledsoe would rather have a 2 year guaranteed contract worth $30 million than a sham five year $75 million one that could leave him open to constant renegotiation and termination at any point after the ink dries.
Maybe the way the salary cap rules are set up make the Cowboys want to have the ability to cut him. Dunno.

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That sounds like a chapter in the book I can't wait to read.
Well, get on with it. Then come back and give us a report on it.


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