From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

Just remember, God does not play dice with the universe.

He generally plays dice with Buddha, and cards with Mohammed every Wednesday.

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

I'm sure the Buddha sock will be here directly to confirm. I can't remember if there's a God sock, but i'm sure that Mohammed is just a matter of time.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

I’m not sure what the hell that means but don’t forget that the full title of Darwin’s seminal work was "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or THE PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE".

It was not enough for this guy to be a radical heretic atheist, he was also an unapologetic racist!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Darwin_ape.png

All due Respect
 

You act as though RT's not a Penske sock.

Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and...
 

mmmmm, thyme.

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

My sincere but misguided religious student:

Believe nothing.
No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.

That said, you'd be surprised. If you have a better explanation for the existence of man-tits than three straight rolls of snake-eyes in that prehistoric back-alley game with Satan, I'd like to hear it.

I have little to say about Mohammed on this topic, but we play poker, God and I. Oddly enough, he has a prediliction for one-eyed Jacks and Queens being wild.

Between that and palming cards in those fluffy sleeves, it's hard to beat the house, if you know what I mean.

Buddha

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

I was kicked off the God sock for overuse.

Any confirmation for megaloman?

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

Ummm, they found a mamouth frozen in ice- that's pretty good proof that natural selection helps things evolve- i've never said otherwise. All i've ever said is that the people here who take the attitude they are more educated than creationists have a problem- the problem is that their story requires "faith" and so for most of them they are no better than those they mock. I really can't do this anymore- but on the whole question of "how did life on earth start?" the only educated response is "Ummmm I dunno."

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

I know lots of posters who worshiped my Juan the marine sock:(

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

God only had 10 posts. More than that and they're no longer commandments, just suggestions?

There are lots of megalomen around here. I can confirm that.

Answer to the Condom Question
 

It is good to know how many people on the board practice the withdrawl method.

I guess I am not the only Catholic here.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

I'm pretty sure that there was a Friends episode based on this premise. I never realized until this moment that Hank=Phoebe.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

I don't think any posters have a problem with creationists. They have a problem with creationists trying to impose their views on science taught in public schools.

P.S. Good job on the Re: line.

Today's Topic for Debate
 

If I were female and Cheney was the male figure in my life, I'd learn to eat pussy too.

Uh-oh. Next he's going to talk about Section 8.

(Spanky, it's best to let right-wing dogs lie.)

Today's Topic for Debate
 

So you believe hetero people grow up wanting to fuck their parents? What sex were your kids again?

All due Respect
 

Hank -- please see if you can answer this seriously, even intelligently.

If evolution has no basis in science, as you seem to contend, why do so many scientists seem to accept it? Is everyone but you and the Christian right driven by ideology?

Today's Topic for Debate
 

Well, at least one poster spent Valentine's evening with his mom. Freud was right!

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

None of you are qualified to have any position on the topic- that you all think you do while simply regurgitating shit you've read w/o understanding is irritating.

Today's Topic for Debate
 

Postio ad absurdum.

From a Practioner of the Withdrawal Method
 

Penske, it kind of wigs me out when your socks reply to each other.

Today's Topic for Debate
 

Try reading the post again, this time more slowly and without the blood-soaked haze that seems to form in your eyes whenever you see my name.

Generally, a father is the first male figure in any child's life. That doesn't mean his daughter wants to fuck him, that means that he is the first male figure in the child's life and will inform that child's view of men for some time -- an effect that will lessen with time and circumstance but that will certainly exist.

Put differently, go fuck yourself. You can spout your right-wing shit all day for all I care, but leave my kids out of your spew.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

I don't have to hold a degree in physics to believe that the gravitational pull between 2 bodies is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. I don't have to conduct the experiments anew because they have already been conducted by scientists and vetted by other scientists. I can see your point somewhat on it being a choice in faith - faith in science or faith in religion. However, this sort of argument should have been put to rest with Galileo's excommunicated soul. Let the scientists teach science. The kids have already heard that "created in 7 days" shit in Sunday school.

All due Respect
 

My rant started with someone taking a potshot at another poster who claimed to be a creationist- the potshoter (AG maybe?) took a superior attitude like he KNEW the creationist was full of shit- So I took it upon myself to take him down a peg- since then I'm stuck with doing this over and over---

when most people say evolution they mean natural selection as a way of changing species plus some scientific basis to the beginnings of life (ie god didn't do it). You really can't intelligently argue that NS causes species to evolve, and that is what has been proven to the extent any part of evolution can be proven- I accept this part- okay- bob moths et al.

But on the "how did things start" part there are huge gaps- how did the first cell start? there are at least theories on this, although most people in ths field will tell you its a billion to one shot- okay the world has been around for billions of years so that's possible.

But there are other parts where I can't even find a theory- how did those single celled animals become multi- celled? How did an organism with a few cells develop organ systems? Early organisms simply split- how did sexual reproduction come from that?

sidd- google your ass off you'll not find any explaination for any of that. My only point ever has been don't be smug when someone doesn't believe in your science because your science is incomplete.

Maybe science started it- maybe an intergallactic cruise ship emptied it waste here and we sprung from that or maybe it was "god."

I don't know and I only pick on people who think they do when they pick on others who think they do, but different.

Jerry Falwell meets Dennis Miller?

Thank you, India.
 

I appreciate it. Re lines are a lost art.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

If the attraction between bodies were that simple, how come after sex your sister wants to cuddle and i just want to go watch TV?

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

One possible answer, and this is just a theory, is that the distance between your 2 bodies is very small - hence, very low gravitational pull . . .

Math is hard
 

Uh, inversely proportional.

I think it is likely that they are both just very very tiny people.

Math is hard
 

and neither knows how to cuddle on a couch in front of the tv.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

Of course density plays a part, explaining your many light-bending posts.

All due Respect
 

Okay -- this makes sense. You wanted to tell people who say that creationism is purely based on faith that their own belief in evolution is also based on faith. There is some room for debate there -- I think the extent to which the basis is on faith differs, and I think that one is relying on the Bible or priests or whatever, while the other is relying on the consensus of the scientific community, and does so not just with regard to evolution but to a whole host of things.

But, I missed (or have forgetten) the original conversation, and in your more recent posts on this issue your tone is a bit... well, different. Basically, you sound like a scientist-bashing Christian rightist who firmly believes in creationism and the Noahnic flood and all that, and thinks anyone who doesn't is stupid. Perhaps that's not your intent, but it's the image you've begun to portray.

Math is hard
 

Physics is hard

Actually, it's the only way it worked with my obviously failed attempt at a small dick joke.

"She blinded me with science," or, "You say you want an evolution."
 

You have this backwards, but it's a common mistake. Remember, it's the inverse, not the perverse.

All due Respect
 

My tone comes from not having the energy to do the long post i just did for you (as a token of respect) for everyone who comes here and calls me dumb for taking the perceived position.

All due Respect
 

Great. Here comes the Rawls debate.

You'll never find....
 

I said it before, and I'll say it again -- there is no debate. Simply put, Lou Rawls kicks ass.

All due Respect
 

I was gone for just a little bit and look what happens. For the last time I am not Penske and my first post was yesterday. I am sorry but you are way off here.

1)You are correct that "natural selection" does not cause species to evolve. Natural phenomena favors certain mutations leading to change. No cause. It just happens.

2) There are people that think the earth is flat. There are people that think that the sun revolves around the earth. There are creationists. All of these people are really arguing from the same irrational position.

3) How did the first cell start? Are you kidding? In nature almost every step in this evolutionary chain still exist. Proteins to quasi- cells to simple cells to complex cells. The million to one shot was the lightning that struck the primoridial soup creating protein chains.

4) Single celled to mulitcelled - Again -are you kidding? Again in nature there is an example of every step of the way. From cooperating cells, to causally linked cells, to connected cells etc. There are strong theories on all these developments.

etft -- t.s.

The first three paragraphs of that entry were meant to be quoted. Sorry. I still have not learned the system very well yet.

Have you read Clarke's book?