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sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 01:50 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That is almost irrelevant to her stated goal, given the quantities of oil belived to be involved.

S_A_M
I had no objection to ANWR, since, from what I read, the damage to the land would be minimal.

Then I heard getting an ANWR drilling bill passed has been Ted Stevens' reason for living for the past 25 years. Bought my opposition pretty quick.

Between his refusal to give up his $470mil pork bridge to nowhere in Alaska and his holding hearings to determine how to regulate satellite radio and cable, is there any clueless old fuck who needs to die more than Ted Stevens?

How can anyone claim the existence of karma or any sense of Right in the universe when Bill Hicks is dead of cancer at 34 and Ted Stevens alive and kicking on the senate floor at 82?

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 01:53 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

How can anyone claim the existence of karma or any sense of Right in the universe when Bill Hicks is dead of cancer at 34 and Ted Stevens alive and kicking on the senate floor at 82?
Hmm, on the one hand Mary Jo dies awful young and that supports your theory, but on the other hand John John bought it young which says maybe there is karma, on the other hand he drowned TWO women, so maybe there's no karma?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 01:53 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
what's the satisfaction other than a holier-than-thou attitude?
What other satisfaction is a 4'11 Alan Ginsburg lookalike accountant going to get in life?

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 01:56 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
What other satisfaction is a 4'11 Alan Ginsburg lookalike accountant going to get in life?
flower likes to ride his bicycle.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 01:57 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Hmm, on the one hand Mary Jo dies awful young and that supports your theory, but on the other hand John John bought it young which says maybe there is karma, on the other hand he drowned TWO women, so maybe there's no karma?
Never thought of it that way... Ted must be conflicted about John John's death.

On one hand, he affirmed Ted's legacy as the best high pressure swimmer in the family. On the other hand, he totally pissed on Teddy's title as Most Lethal Kennedy.

I gotta bet Teddy confesses to killing that girl in the Skakel case on his deathbed. Just for family props.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 02:00 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Never thought of it that way... Ted must be conflicted about John John's death.

On one hand, he affirmed Ted's legacy as the best high pressure swimmer in the family. On the other hand, he totally pissed on Teddy's title as Most Lethal Kennedy.
John Sr. lost several seamen (heh heh) when he crashed his PT boat, so most lethal isn't up for challenge- killed the most women sure (do we put marilyn on John's card or Bobby's?)

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 02:01 PM

deficit prediction gamemanship
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
For Spanky, from the Washington Post:
  • Driven by the cost of hurricane relief, the federal budget deficit is expected to balloon back above $400 billion for the fiscal year that ends in September, reversing the improvements of 2005, a White House official told reporters yesterday. But some budget analysts cautioned that the estimate should be considered more of a political mark to inform the coming budget debate than an economic forecast. This is the third straight year in which the White House has summoned reporters well ahead of the official budget release to project a higher-than-anticipated deficit. In the past two years, when final deficit figures have come in at record or near-record levels, White House officials have boasted that they had made progress, since the final numbers were below estimates. "This administration has a history of overestimating the deficit early in the year, lowering expectations, then taking credit when it comes in below forecast," said Stanley E. Collender, a federal budget expert at Financial Dynamics Business Communications. "It's not just a history. It's almost an obsession."

And they'd have gotten away with it but for those pesky reporters...

I tip my hat now, Ty. You were right. These Bush people are evil. Twisting stats and lowering expectations to shine shitty numbers? My God. What. Has. The. Republic. Come. To.

They are behaving as if they were some damned Fortune 100 company... no, no... Fortune 500. For shame.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 02:03 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
John Sr. lost several seamen (heh heh) when he crashed his PT boat, so most lethal isn't up for challenge- killed the most women sure (do we put marilyn on John's card or Bobby's?)
Civilian stats. Wartime is considered post-season.

Sidd Finch 01-13-2006 02:06 PM

Death Penalty system that bad?
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) -- New DNA tests confirmed the guilt of a man who went to his death in Virginia's electric chair in 1992 proclaiming his innocence, the governor said Thursday.

The case had been closely watched by both sides in the death penalty debatebecause no executed convict in the United States has ever been exonerated by scientific testing.

If the death penalty system in this country is so screwed up why is this the case?

Because DNA testing is relatively new, and the time between crime and execution is very long. Thus, the cases where you can do a DNA test after execution are very rare -- and the notion that you would wait until after execution to do one is pretty strange.

Scores of people have been released from death row based on DNA evidence. These people would not have been released but for the new technology that allowed such testing. From this, I conclude that before DNA testing was available, people in a similar situation were executed.

Spanky 01-13-2006 02:07 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
The thing I can't get my arms around is the call to develope alternative fuel sources yet obstinately refusing to allow the development of nuclear power.
Nuclear power is too expensive. Once you register in the cost to store its waste forever, and the cost of insuring a plant (without government subsidies) it is cost prohibitive.

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) waste, Yucca Mountain, but the enviros are trying to block that. Do they think it's better to leave the waste sitting at dozens of nuclear plants around the nation, where a) leaks would be much more likely to harm people because of proximity to population centers and b) terrorists could much more easily infiltrate to obtain some spent fuel? Outrageous.
2. The enviros that are blocking Yucca mountian are beyond stupid. Yucca mountian is by far the safest place to store radioactive waste. There is no intelligent reason not to put it there.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 02:08 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
the cost to store its waste forever,
dissent. that's just some money future generations will owe, who cares.

Sidd Finch 01-13-2006 02:09 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've never understood why we couldn't couple a nuclear waste disposal program with the space program. Bury that shit somewhere on Mars or the moon or jettison it to the sun or something and justify some of the space exploration costs.


Remember the Challenger?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 02:12 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
2. The enviros that are blocking Yucca mountian are beyond stupid. Yucca mountian is by far the safest place to store radioactive waste. There is no intelligent reason not to put it there.
Yeh, and that should stop them why?

Spanky 01-13-2006 02:13 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Bill Hicks
I just found a CD of his that has material I had never heard before. Comic genius.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 02:14 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Remember the Challenger?
they move it on trains or trucks now and those crash.

Spanky 01-13-2006 02:40 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
they move it on trains or trucks now and those crash.
I have a friend that is a geologist that is working on Yucca mountain. He told me the problem with blasting stuff into space is that if the craft blows up in the atmoshphere (which happens a lot) then the radioctivity will be spread over a large area. Not such a good thing.

Shape Shifter 01-13-2006 02:41 PM

Ann Coulter left the reservation....
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
didn't Ty say she is a lesbian?
How do lesbians lose their virginity?

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 02:43 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
I have a friend that is a geologist that is working on Yucca mountain.
can he introduce me to Eva silverstein?

Spanky 01-13-2006 02:43 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I had no objection to ANWR, since, from what I read, the damage
In Jarreds book Collapse he talks about how in New Guinea, Chevron was so environmentally conscious in their oil drilling their that they practically left the area they used for such drilling better than when they found it. He points out that with oil drilling, and unliked strip mining, you just need to make a few tiny holes to get all the oil underground. If you are careful the enviornmental impact could be minimal.

So why don't we let Chevron do the drilling in ANWAR.

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 02:44 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
I have a friend that is a geologist that is working on Yucca mountain. He told me the problem with blasting stuff into space is that if the craft blows up in the atmoshphere (which happens a lot) then the radioctivity will be spread over a large area. Not such a good thing.
I have a friend who is a kindergarten teacher, and another one who is a construction worker, and another one who is an Indian Chief, and they all say the same thing. Oh, and people who work on space technology stuff, and a meteorologist.

But they probably aren't as qualified to comment on this atmospheric stuff as a geologist.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 02:45 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I have a friend who is a kindergarten teacher, and another one who is a construction worker, and another one who is an Indian Chief, and they all say the same thing. Oh, and people who work on space technology stuff, and a meteorologist.

But they probably aren't as qualified to comment on this atmospheric stuff as a geologist.
Go sell crazy somewhere else. The men are talking here.

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 02:46 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
In Jarreds book Collapse he talks about how in New Guinea, Chevron was so environmentally conscious in their oil drilling their that they practically left the area they used for such drilling better than when they found it. He points out that with oil drilling, and unliked strip mining, you just need to make a few tiny holes to get all the oil underground. If you are careful the enviornmental impact could be minimal.

So why don't we let Chevron do the drilling in ANWAR.
It seems like New Guniea (near the equator) and Alaska (frozen for part of the year) might have different environmental issues. I think that there might be more intervention necessary to drill a hole, and keep it open and the machinery operating, in areas where there are temperature extremes and large fluctuations in temperature.

See, e.g., building roads in Siberia.

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 02:47 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Go sell crazy somewhere else. The men are talking here.
I'm beginning to think you are as happy as Spanky. But maybe you are just being nice to him.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-13-2006 02:47 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Go sell crazy somewhere else. The men are talking here.
Here's an avatar for you, though:

http://www.lardlad.com/images/other/other063.gif

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 02:51 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Here's an avatar for you, though:

http://www.lardlad.com/images/other/other063.gif
Is Hank a kitty or an old lady or a cross-dresser?

If it were for me, you would have sized it. Because you know The Rules. I'm sure. Anyway, I like my avatar.

Spanky 01-13-2006 02:56 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I have a friend who is a kindergarten teacher, and another one who is a construction worker, and another one who is an Indian Chief, and they all say the same thing. Oh, and people who work on space technology stuff, and a meteorologist.

But they probably aren't as qualified to comment on this atmospheric stuff as a geologist.
When the guy was a Phd candidate in radioactive geology at Stanford my parents rented one of their apartments to him. This was when I was in elementary school. He now works or the department of energy and his job is try and turn all radioactive material (which is everything you can imagine because almost everything you can imagine from socks to diesal trucks have been contaminated) into glass. I guess when stuff is in glass form it is less likely to leak and contaminate ground water.

He has no family so he vists my parents quite a lot. Since his entire job is focused on finding ways to store radioactive material in the safest possible way, he has been around people that have looked into the "space option". In fact every time I have been around the guy and he tells someone what he does for a living, without fail, someone will ask him "why don't you just blast it off into space". Considering that he has been asked that question a thousand times, and since such an option would solve the problem of his lifes work, I think he is pretty qualified to answer the question, even though he is not a rocket scientist nor a climatologist.

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 03:01 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
When the guy was a Phd candidate in radioactive geology at Stanford my parents rented one of their apartments to him. This was when I was in elementary school. He now works or the department of energy and his job is try and turn all radioactive material (which is everything you can imagine because almost everything you can imagine from socks to diesal trucks have been contaminated) into glass. I guess when stuff is in glass form it is less likely to leak and contaminate ground water.

He has no family so he vists my parents quite a lot. Since his entire job is focused on finding ways to store radioactive material in the safest possible way, he has been around people that have looked into the "space option". In fact every time I have been around the guy and he tells someone what he does for a living, without fail, someone will ask him "why don't you just blast it off into space". Considering that he has been asked that question a thousand times, and since such an option would solve the problem of his lifes work, I think he is pretty qualified to answer the question, even though he is not a rocket scientist nor a climatologist.
Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.

I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2006 03:02 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.

I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
you're not a baker, yet I trust you for donut shop recommendations.

Shape Shifter 01-13-2006 03:02 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Ah. You just said geologist. It kind of makes sense now. Well, and that several people pointed out the whole blowing up into the atmosphere thing, and really if you think of Challenger and the dealybopper that blew up over Texas and scattered large (not capable of being airborne on a breeze) pieces over a very large area, it's just common sense.

I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
I think his geologist is just fucking with him.

Spanky 01-13-2006 03:05 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think his geologist is just fucking with him.
What is weird about this guy is that is job is located somewhere in Washington D.C. You would think that with all the radioactive material he is playing with that they would want to put him somewhere near Elko Nevada. Go figure.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-13-2006 03:15 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb

I still think my meteorologist kicks your geologist's ass.
Most meteorologists are just pretty faces.

Of course, spanky's geologist's nuts stopped function shortly after taking his job.

So there you are.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 03:27 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think his geologist is just fucking with him.
My grandmother's oncologist is always doing that.

"Its a recurrence...








of good news!!!!! She's fine. See you again in half a year..."

Replaced_Texan 01-13-2006 03:30 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
In Jarreds book Collapse he talks about how in New Guinea, Chevron was so environmentally conscious in their oil drilling their that they practically left the area they used for such drilling better than when they found it. He points out that with oil drilling, and unliked strip mining, you just need to make a few tiny holes to get all the oil underground. If you are careful the enviornmental impact could be minimal.

So why don't we let Chevron do the drilling in ANWAR.
I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out, there is a look at how much this company fucked up our air/soil/water story. There are residents here in Houston's Kennedy Heights that aren't really predisposed to trust Chevron on environmental issues.

One of the oil companies that drilled on my family's ranch didn't clean up one of the tanks after it hit a dry hole. Killed a lot of the cattle that later on drank from that tank. Oil company reimbursed us and helped with the cleanup later on, but it took a long, long time before we were able to use that part of the property again.

That said, if you write the lease right, you can make sure that they reimburse for fuckups with the property. My parents used to make them reimburse the ranch for every single tree that was knocked down by the oil company. The amount of reimbursement depended on the diameter of the trunk at the base and trees over a certain diameter were absolutely not to be touched. Gave the oil companies an incentive not to cut down trees or go through scrub brush when they were building their roads and placing the tanks.

Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2006 03:38 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out, there is a look at how much this company fucked up our air/soil/water story. There are residents here in Houston's Kennedy Heights that aren't really predisposed to trust Chevron on environmental issues.

. . .

Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.
The PR pieces are absurd. Like we'd ever believe a soulless corp gives a fuck about the community. If laws didn't prevent it, they'd all have child slaves perform their labor. A corp is about profit, and makes an ass of itself by pretending to altruism. They ought to just be forthright and say "We at Chevron know we're damaging the land, so we try our best to keep the damage minimal and repair it when we're done."

Regarding allowing enviros to participate in writing leases, that just ain't going to work, for innumerable reasons I'm sure you know.

ltl/fb 01-13-2006 03:52 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They ought to just be forthright and say "We at Chevron know we're damaging the land, so we try our best to keep the damage minimal and repair it when we're done."
Sometimes they say just that, but I don't necessarily think that that is any more honest than saying "we came, we did stuff, we left it better off."

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-13-2006 04:14 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan


Maybe if the environmentalists were part of the lease writing process, to ensure minimal impact on the land and severe, severe penalties for fucking up things like migration routes and regional temperatures and stuff like that, drilling at ANWAR would be more palitable.
Someone beat you to that idea:

Audubon allows drilling on its land

Of course, that author would make the enviros put their money where their mouth is by buying the leases.

Replaced_Texan 01-13-2006 04:26 PM

Anyone ever seen Bilmore in daylight?
Quote:

"I'm a Satanist who doesn't hate Jesus," Sharkey told Reuters. "I just hate God the Father."

However, he claims to respect all religions and if elected, will post "everything from the Ten Commandments to the Wicca Reed" in government buildings.

Sharkey also pledged to execute convicted murders and child molesters personally by impaling them on a wooden pole outside the state capitol.

Sharkey told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he's a vampire "just like you see in the movies and TV."

Tyrone Slothrop 01-13-2006 04:27 PM

deficit prediction gamemanship
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I tip my hat now, Ty. You were right. These Bush people are evil.
I don't believe I said this was evil. I said it was politically skillful. For some reason, Spanky reacted as if I'd accused Bush of clubbing baby seals with Dick Cheney's beliefs about executive privilege.

Gattigap 01-13-2006 04:32 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Isn’t the specter of running out of oil the greatest catalyst for production of alternative fuel sources?
Yep. Check out Wired magazine's cover story from last month, Why $5 Gasoline is Good for America.

Spanky 01-13-2006 05:38 PM

Sebastian Kennedy's Take on The End of Oil, or Fuck Environmentalists
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm pretty sure that for every feel good about the environment story that one of the oil companies puts out,
Actually this wasn't put out by Chevron. It was put out by Jared and he sits on the board of the WWF. In his book he talks about a bunch of places where oil companys really screwed places up. He compares the Chevron story with an Indonesian company that drilled on the other side of the island of New Guinea and really messed the place up.

Jared was part of the group that, after Chevron was given the lease with all the restrictions, was to check up on them. He did check up on Chevron to make sure they were following the rules laid out in the lease and he was surprized that they exceeded the leases rules. However, he did point out that Chevron had now realized that if it was going to get further oil leases, and if they were going to improve their image they would have to do this.


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