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Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I'd complain about not getting a real answer if I didn't deserve this shit...
Oh, and be sure to capitalize every K.

eta: Merde! Je maudis dans la direction de cette règle limitant des poteaux une fois à toutes les trente secondes! La mère de Slave's était un hamster et son père sentis de la baie de sureau!

Shape Shifter 05-25-2004 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Okay, as long as that's clear up front . . .

Are you a good writer? Are you the guy who ends up writing the group's persuasive letters, or the reports to the clients? Then, submit something more free-form that showcases those talents - something with excellent word usage and grammer, which exhibits the ability to clearly communicate complex thoughts cleanly. Don't use a pleading, or a strictly legal-argument-based doc - too confining, too stilted, to show what you want shown.

If you are weaker, or simply more of a technical writer, then submit your best SJ brief, or legal analysis memo.

And I wasn't joking about the typos.
Thank you for leading by example.

spookyfish 05-25-2004 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
. . . something with excellent word usage and grammer. . .

And I wasn't joking about the typos.
I just wanted to see this again.

ETA: Damn you, Shifty!

SlaveNoMore 05-25-2004 02:03 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
eta: Merde! Je maudis dans la direction de cette règle limitant des poteaux une fois à toutes les trente secondes! La mère de Slave's était un hamster et son père sentis de la baie de sureau!
French. Now it all makes sense.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
French. Now it all makes sense.
Eu tenho as coisas a dizer sobre a mãe de Slave's em diversas línguas diferentes.

Hank Chinaski 05-25-2004 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Okay, as long as that's clear up front . . .

Are you a good writer? Are you the guy who ends up writing the group's persuasive letters, or the reports to the clients? Then, submit something more free-form that showcases those talents - something with excellent word usage and grammer, which exhibits the ability to clearly communicate complex thoughts cleanly. Don't use a pleading, or a strictly legal-argument-based doc - too confining, too stilted, to show what you want shown.

If you are weaker, or simply more of a technical writer, then submit your best SJ brief, or legal analysis memo.

And I wasn't joking about the typos.
don't listen to them Coltrane. You do litigation I thought. you're late 20's so you've been out for at least 4 yrs. If so DO NOT GIVE WRITING SAMPLES unless asked. They can only hurt. The people hiring you will be arrogant pricks who probably won't look at your samples- if they do they will only see stuff they find negative. Someone said articles- list them but only provide if asked.

You will need to sell yourself by gab to get the job. The paper only distracts, or screws you.

robustpuppy 05-25-2004 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you're late 20's so you've been out for at least 4 yrs.
And in your interview, be sure to demonstrate such unassailable logic as this.

Hank Chinaski 05-25-2004 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
And in your interview, be sure to demonstrate such unassailable logic as this.
those who can do. those who can't teach.

bilmore 05-25-2004 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
don't listen to them Coltrane. You do litigation I thought. you're late 20's so you've been out for at least 4 yrs. If so DO NOT GIVE WRITING SAMPLES unless asked. They can only hurt. The people hiring you will be arrogant pricks who probably won't look at your samples- if they do they will only see stuff they find negative. Someone said articles- list them but only provide if asked.

You will need to sell yourself by gab to get the job. The paper only distracts, or screws you.
A. I'm assuming he's already been asked.

B. If he's been asked, lack of a submission signals that he's hiding his poor writing.

C. Even arrogant pricks read them. Of course they're just looking for something - anything - negative. It's a natural impulse amongst the idiot set. But, you're asking Arrogant Prick for a job. Don't let them find anything negative.

D. There is no "D".

robustpuppy 05-25-2004 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
those who can do. those who can't teach.
Other options:

Those who can, do those who can't teach.

Those who can, do those who can't, 'teach!

Hank Chinaski 05-25-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
A. I'm assuming he's already been asked.

B. If he's been asked, lack of a submission signals that he's hiding his poor writing.

C. Even arrogant pricks read them. Of course they're just looking for something - anything - negative. It's a natural impulse amongst the idiot set. But, you're asking Arrogant Prick for a job. Don't let them find anything negative.

D. There is no "D".
Maybe you're right, but here's the problem- Coltrane can barely string a coherent thought together for a few sentences, then he drifts. Shit, that's probably why he needs a new job. his only available answer is to stonewall. unless, maybe someone else can email him something to use?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
C. Even arrogant pricks read them. Of course they're just looking for something - anything - negative. It's a natural impulse amongst the idiot set. But, you're asking Arrogant Prick for a job. Don't let them find anything negative.
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?

robustpuppy 05-25-2004 02:16 PM

Well, it ain't funny
 
In certain contexts I'm all for saying the opposite of what you mean for the sake of humor or being a pain in the ass, but ... why does the message say that the attempt to edit was unsuccessful when the attempt to edit was actually successful?


Edited, but of course.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
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Those who can, do those who can't teach.

Those who can, do those who can't, 'teach!
Where is dtb? She'll be so happy.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
In certain contexts I'm all for saying the opposite of what you mean for the sake of humor or being a pain in the ass, but ... why does the message say that the attempt to edit was unsuccessful when the attempt to edit was actually successful?
You're trying to say that you get the joke, right?

SlaveNoMore 05-25-2004 02:18 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Eu tenho as coisas a dizer sobre a mãe de Slave's em diversas línguas diferentes.
Minha mãe retrocederá seu burro em países numerosos, Motherfucker.

str8outavannuys 05-25-2004 02:18 PM

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Here's a somewhat amusing discussion I just had with my wife.

[after talking about going to lunch together]

Str8: Do you know anyone who wants to go see Sting in Boston?

Mrs. Str8: Why don't you ask [my ex-girlfriend-turned-Harvard-Prof.] if she wants them? Oh wait, you already did, and she didn't get back to you. Hmmm.

Str8: Yeah, if she was a little nicer to me, I'd have sent them to her for free.

Mrs. Str8: Well she wasn't. Hmmm.

So, any takers? Big discounts on face value.

bilmore 05-25-2004 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?
This arrogant prick does.

robustpuppy 05-25-2004 02:20 PM

I'm all for saying the opposite of what you mean
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You're trying to say that you get the joke, right?
Whoa! Big time whifferstiltskin! I am soooooo off my game.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 05-25-2004 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?
The government.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Minha mãe retrocederá seu burro em países numerosos, Motherfucker.
Like so many of my dates, we started with a Monty Python reference and ended up on your mother.

SlaveNoMore 05-25-2004 02:22 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Like so many of my dates, we started with a Monty Python reference and ended up on your mother.
Burma

Gattigap 05-25-2004 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Minha mãe retrocederá seu burro em países numerosos, Motherfucker.
What, does babelfish just not get that last word?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 05-25-2004 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Burma
http://www.briankaneonline.com/image...shavelarge.gif

paigowprincess 05-25-2004 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
don't listen to them Coltrane. You do litigation I thought. you're late 20's so you've been out for at least 4 yrs. If so DO NOT GIVE WRITING SAMPLES unless asked. They can only hurt. The people hiring you will be arrogant pricks who probably won't look at your samples- if they do they will only see stuff they find negative. Someone said articles- list them but only provide if asked.

You will need to sell yourself by gab to get the job. The paper only distracts, or screws you.
I wouldnt read the writing sample and I am not an arrogant prick.

Mister_Ruysbroeck 05-25-2004 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?
Yes. The people at the job I had before my current job called my references. Make sure you put down your best law school buddies who will lie their asses off for you because you have tons of good blackmail material.

str8outavannuys 05-25-2004 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Burma
Among my college friends, "Burma" was our substitute for "Don't Go There." For, as Detective Goren might say, "the obvious reasons."

Nota bene that graduating in 1995, "Don't Go There" would have been acceptable. However we frisbee-chucking-hipsters were too cool for school, even then.

Gattigap 05-25-2004 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?
We do.

And, BTW, thanks for answering the call for me. I knew that when they would ask you about me being the "Lead Relationship Attorney for the General Motors account," you'd guess where I was going with that.

robustpuppy 05-25-2004 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
We do.

And, BTW, thanks for answering the call for me. I knew that when they would ask you about me being the "Lead Relationship Attorney for the General Motors account," you'd guess where I was going with that.
"When you answer the phone, say 'Vandelay Industries. Vandelay Industries!!'"

paigowprincess 05-25-2004 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Among my college friends, "Burma" was our substitute for "Don't Go There." For, as Detective Goren might say, "the obvious reasons."

Nota bene that graduating in 1995, "Don't Go There" would have been acceptable. However we frisbee-chucking-hipsters were too cool for school, even then.
There was one post that singled you out with an identity that will forever preempt you from being thought of as a hipster or cool in my book. That was the post where you admitted to be a card carrying member of the Sting fan club.

Many other posts have had similar impression or stain making effects on posters that they cannot shake (while at the same time, other posters cant get a board persona or personalty charactertistic for their life - see for example, Not From Here). As an example, MR will also be your rimjob man. What are some of the great posts that have forever gave a poster em's persona? Or alternatively, is there a single post that forever immortalizes a poster whether em likes it or not? Like the "Its a foul truth I utter" by Sebby? ANyone?

spookyfish 05-25-2004 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
"When you answer the phone, say 'Vandelay Industries. Vandelay Industries!!'"
No. You're way, waaay off!

Sidd Finch 05-25-2004 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Many of the arrogant pricks I know are also lazy. In this same vein, does anyone ever call references?

I've been called many things, but never lazy. Well, that one time by Mrs. Finch, but we'd been drinking a lot and I was tired. But I digress.

Ty, your references sucked. Deal with it.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-25-2004 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I've been called many things, but never lazy. Well, that one time by Mrs. Finch, but we'd been drinking a lot and I was tired. But I digress.

Ty, your references sucked. Deal with it.
Right. The reason I don't like you is because you wouldn't give me a job. That must be it.

I thought it was Wilson Sonsini, but it was you.

Sidd Finch 05-25-2004 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Right. The reason I don't like you is because you wouldn't give me a job. That must be it.

I thought it was Wilson Sonsini, but it was you.

Shhh, don't out me. Next you'll start talking about that bowtie I always wear.

SlaveNoMore 05-25-2004 02:53 PM

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Sidd Finch
Shhh, don't out me. Next you'll start talking about that bowtie I always wear.
Does George Will also have one that looks just like chest hair?

sunnybunny 05-25-2004 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
I wouldnt read the writing sample and I am not an arrogant prick.

Agreed. And I've successfully argued against candidates for my group based on poorly-proofed writing samples. I don't care so much about the writing style (as long as it's not impenetrable) but I just want to make sure they weren't too lazy to read through it and make sure it makes sense and is properly organized. if they can form an argument without showing that they haven't mastered cut and paste and spell check functions, and marginal knowledge of hte blue book, I'm happy. Unfortunately, that appears to be a tall order.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 05-25-2004 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
don't listen to them Coltrane. You do litigation I thought. you're late 20's so you've been out for at least 4 yrs. If so DO NOT GIVE WRITING SAMPLES unless asked. They can only hurt. The people hiring you will be arrogant pricks who probably won't look at your samples- if they do they will only see stuff they find negative. Someone said articles- list them but only provide if asked.

You will need to sell yourself by gab to get the job. The paper only distracts, or screws you.
They asked.

And I've only been out 2+ years.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 05-25-2004 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Maybe you're right, but here's the problem- Coltrane can barely string a coherent thought together for a few sentences, then he drifts. Shit, that's probably why he needs a new job. his only available answer is to stonewall. unless, maybe someone else can email him something to use?
Am I whiffing or is this the biggest pot kettle black ever?

ltl/fb 05-25-2004 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
They asked.

And I've only been out 2+ years.
Do you have anything you can use from work and redact? If you don't already know what length they are looking for, you could call and tell them you have two things that you are looking at to redact, and one is longer and one is shorter, and ask which they would prefer. If part of the problem is that there are very few things you have done on your own, you could include a note saying that your group works collaboratively (in a team environment) (not like lone wolves) (in the forest) and you picked an item to which you felt you had made a very significant contribution, or something.

Even if they (recruiting) ask for it, they (lawyers) may not read it.\

And spell grammar correctly and don't split any infinitives.

Hank Chinaski 05-25-2004 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Am I whiffing or is this the biggest pot kettle black ever?
I just sent you a very thoughtful responsive PM, and then I see this?


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