Say it ain't so, Joe
 

The Germans and Japanese were about 7000 more advanced cultures and economies than the Arab street. If the Arabs didn't have oil, they'd still be riding around in the desert fighting one another, as they were through the 19th Century.

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Good point.

Actually, I think it's exactly this dynamic that keeps Kim Jong Il in power. Sure, he can sell nuclear technology to the Pakistanis and others, yell from the mountaintops that He Has Nukes, and make public statements that threaten, well, the United States.

But that fucker knows not to say shit about Jerusalem, because if he did, we'd turn Pyonyang into glass before lunch.

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Imagine my relief.

Let's not show them how we make the sausage
 

I'm with you. 200 hungry office workers and 20 hippies? Here, we'd have torn them limb from limb and reenacted Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Isn't there a meaningful distinction betweening threatening too (ala the Iraqi minister of information) and actually taking steps to?

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

It certainly isn't while we are occupying one Arab country and backing Israel's invasion of another.

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Right on Adder!!!! If it weren't for those pesky JOOOOOOOOOZ we would all be living in one big happy world!!!!!!

aV

Yes.

Not immediately, but they replacing the current heavy-handed, rugged-individualist, weilder of American might with an administration that is will to engage our alleys as well as other nations with shared interests in the region might help find an actual solution. At the moment the only two choices on the table (stay or go) are both bad.

It isn't a matter of sudden change. It is a matter of lessening the provocation over time, of targeting the hostile individuals and not whole provocations, and improving conditions on the ground.

Penske isn't the only fan of Marty Peretz -- Jesus' General is on board with him.

http://webpages.charter.net/micah/organ.jpg

you have impeccable timing

Hank deserves half the credit for his "law enforcement" post.

London Calling
 

Wow! Looks like the Brits foiled a plot of "unimaginable horror".

21 arrests.

I wonder how many of those 21 are non-muslim natives of ME states? Probably several elderly women, some blond haired blue eyed atheists from Scandavian countries, a few children. I'm sure the PC Police of Weurope are to credit for busting this motley crew.

I sure hope there was no wiretaps that weren't authorized by FISA like courts that were used to catch these criminals.

And no rendition for this guys to get more valuable information to help us stop more crimes. Heaven forbid. Maybe Ned Lamont can go over and talk to them. Use his high reserve of reason.

The left will be the death of this nation yet unless we stop them at the polls again this November. At least this event will give us some fodder to contrast W with the Ds and expose the latter as the dangerous fifth column collaborationists that they have become...........

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Excuse me? I am pretty tolerant of just about anything in polite political discussion, but you can take your insinuations and shove them up your ass.

Any apology for citing this Quiggan as being anything more than a half baked nut?

Say it ain't so, Joe
 

Denial is a powerful force.

When you support, appease, apologize for and defend peoples and countries who have a fairly clear singular and oft stated goal.....Destroy Israel, aka the Jewish state in the ME, then res ipsa loquiter.

London Calling
 

NBC is reporting that the Brits are saying that all 21 were Muslims. Wow, go figure. What are the odds?

HEY! My son* is a saint!


*subject to positive paternity tests.

et remove outable stuff

London Calling
 

How many natives of ME states? Did you get that yet?

London Calling
 

Now, now Penske. These are the Brits, after all.

Look how they bungled that Yellowcake intelligence? You really can't trust anything they say

London Calling
 

Maine? None.

London Calling
 

You know, when you posted

• I wonder how many of those 21 are non-muslim natives of ME states?

I thought of pointing out that Maine is only one state, but then I got distracted.

So Penske, how many of those 21 are non-Muslim natives of Maine?

Query
 

If it turns out Iran is behind the foiled London bomb plot, what do we do?

At that point I would be in favour of leveling Tehran, but only if we also took out Q'um.

Query
 

Also, if it turns out that Iranian Nationals are actually the folks in Lebanon launching missiles into Israeli civilian territory, what do...

oh, lookee lookee

Not a bullet, not an ounce.
 

Fucking Brits.

London Calling
 

What happened to the new, reformed Penske who foreswore the politics of personal destruction, or whatever that bullshit term you so love to throw around is?

London Calling
 

Whom did I attack personally? Ned Lamont? He's a political candidate and I am drawing attention to his solution to Mid east issues as part of the political debate. The Ds? That is a comment on the Democrat Party establishment and candidates running under that banner and the contrast that needs to be drawn to differentiate the Rs national security policy from that of the Dems? Again, whom on this board got attacked personally?

Does Lamont post here? Or the DNC?

Or are you defending the 21 terrorists in custody? Oops, due process right? Sorry, alleged terrorists.

London Calling
 

Actually, the question should be, why are you personally attacking me for raising relevant issues in a political debate? Why do you dislike the marketplace of ideas?

Can Anyone Tell Me
 

Why every political blog on Plent Earth is reporting on this thwarted terror plot, but the lead story on DailyKos remains Bush's low approval ratings?

And these same people have the nerve to take potshots at Fox News?

London Calling
 

Wonk is about 4 posts away from blaming Bush's imperialist policies for the whole thing.

FWIW, Kos and HuffPo are already on that meme.

Kos
 

Is right now figuring out how they can locate some anonymous source to show this thwarted terror plot was really a consipracy between Blair and Bush to goose their ratings.

You just watch. That story will emerge (if it hasn't already).

"Blair even went on holiday in the Carribean before staging the plot - just to make it look like he couldn't have staged it."
- Josh Pickering, Sophomore, Berkeley

I'm just happy we invaded Iraq. Otherwise, I'm sure a lot more British Muslims would be trying to blow up airplanes. The Maximum Leader has made us all safer.

BREAKING NEWS: BUSH SPEAKING
 

"Hey Iran: The bombing starts in five minutes"

LOL.

Seriously, thank g-d we have a strong determined leader guided by divine wisdom.

London Calling
 

Apparently, Pakistani heritage. But all British born, British citizens. Which lends support to my post last night:

http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...404#post255404

Kos
 

When someone there finally gets around to posting something like that, they will have hit approximately the same low that Penske hit a few minutes ago here -- using the British terror thing to score political points for no apparent reason.

Here's a shocker: It turns out that many of the people killed on 9/11 were Democrats.

Can Anyone Tell Me
 

The problem is that the institutionalised left views this as a political battle for personal gain, while, in reality it is a fight for the continued existence Western civilisation and our own nation.

Sad.

London Calling
 

Actually Ty beat him to the punch, just 2 posts after yoiur post.

Kos
 

My comment was a little absurd... Nobody at Kos will post about the terror plot at all.

Caption, please.
 

Personally I feel safer with Bush in charge than I would with Kerry, Clinton or Gore. Of course, I am sure that with any of those 3 we would have had more domestic attacks by now. Certainly with Clinton as our guide-WTC I* and he did nothing, except work overtime to get a BJ from a fat chick.

*Not to mention the Iraqi connection to OK City, which Clinton negligently ignored.

London Calling
 

I don't blame Bush for causing Islamic terrorism. I blame him for invading Iraq instead of fighting Islamic terrorism.