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Spanky 10-02-2007 09:57 PM

NYT = just a little to the right of Pravda
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In your version of reality, whose campaign was the Times contributing to when it charged MoveOn less than its normal rates?

eta: I've read Will's thing twice now, and I can't figure out why he would call what the Times did "patently illegal." So maybe someone can explain that one.
So I guess this means you concede the fact that the NYT is the daily version of Mother Jones.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-02-2007 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Moveon is not the Democrats, and it's not like there's an election going on. And since the GOP has been trying its damnedest to talk about the Moveon ad instead of, say, Iraq, you might deem the ad a subsidy of Republicans rather than all the Democrats who lined up to vote to condemn it.

Unless I'm missing something, Will is willfully (heh) confusing speech about an issue of current interest with speech aimed to benefit a candidate during an election. I know that those categories are somewhat slippery, but here it's just not that hard.
The first paragraph is priceless. You remind me of why litigation was fun sometimes. And the final conclusion of it is a wonderful spin on the issue, and, I might add, substantively compelling. It's true. That ad was a gift to the GOP. But any incendiary political ad is these days. All the little connivers in the political game know the "taking umbrage" technique.

I think you answer your own question about Will. It is willful.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-02-2007 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
So I guess this means you concede the fact that the NYT is the daily version of Mother Jones.
When they gave up John Tierney they lost any semblance of balance. David Brooks is a gelded conservative. How he labored under Buckley I can't imagine. I read him and want to slap in the lips, on principle.

Paul Krugman's sad, really. he was once great and is now crazy and rabid and imbecillic. But every now and again he writes about some economic issue and really nails it and you think "Wow! How sad he's Lord Haw Haw of the Idiot Leftists."*


*Actually, no one thinks this but me, in those terms at least. I need a life.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-02-2007 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
So I guess this means you concede the fact that the NYT is the daily version of Mother Jones.
No.

Did you really need me to spell that out? You don't believe yourself.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-02-2007 10:24 PM

NYT = just a little to the right of Pravda
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The first paragraph is priceless. You remind me of why litigation was fun sometimes. And the final conclusion of it is a wonderful spin on the issue, and, I might add, substantively compelling. It's true. That ad was a gift to the GOP. But any incendiary political ad is these days. All the little connivers in the political game know the "taking umbrage" technique.

I think you answer your own question about Will. It is willful.
I don't think Will really thinks the FEC now regulates all political speech. If he does, he needs to hire a new researcher and cut back on the martinis at lunch.

SlaveNoMore 10-02-2007 11:14 PM

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sebastian_dangerfield
When he ripped Jerry Garcia on the day of the fat man's death he lost me. How in the fuck can you rip Jerry Garcia? It's like hating Santa Claus.
Tell that to Mountain Girl

SlaveNoMore 10-02-2007 11:18 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Moveon is not the Democrats
Bahahahahahahahahaha.

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... and it's not like there's an election going on.
Yet there is a Democrat debate every other day

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And since the GOP has been trying its damnedest to talk about the Moveon ad instead of, say, Iraq, you might deem the ad a subsidy of Republicans rather than all the Democrats who lined up to vote to condemn it.
We talk about Iraq all the time. But the only news that seems worthy of the MSM is "bad" news.

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Unless I'm missing something, Will is willfully (heh) confusing speech about an issue of current interest with speech aimed to benefit a candidate during an election. I know that those categories are somewhat slippery, but here it's just not that hard.
I thought it was that they were complicit in a hatchet, partisan smear ad demeaning a (non-elected) General

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2007 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Bahahahahahahahahaha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzC6-N9mwM&eurl=


How come hil can speak at KOs w/o it being news but if a Rep speaks at bob jones it's his ass?

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
How come hil can speak at KOs w/o it being news but if a Rep speaks at bob jones it's his ass?
Kos never excluded black people? Just guessing here.

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Kos never excluded black people? Just guessing here.
I'm not good at the search function, but I am kinda remembering you saying Kos was lunatic fringe.

Poll: Would it help W to be seen as a bridge builder if he were to pardon hillary so she can concentrate on the election?

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Bahahahahahahahahaha.
I know you have a hard time distinguishing Olympia Snowe from Vladimir Lenin, but I'm happy I could give you a chuckle.

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Yet there is a Democrat debate every other day
I know you don't think the Moveon ad was aimed at a Republican candidate, and I'm pretty sure you don't think the FEC should be regulating political speech, but the opportunity to bitch about the NYT is just too much to pass up, huh?

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We talk about Iraq all the time. But the only news that seems worthy of the MSM is "bad" news.
The ethnic cleansing has been excellent for Iraq's moving companies. How come you never hear about that?

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I thought it was that they were complicit in a hatchet, partisan smear ad demeaning a (non-elected) General
Loopy and non-responsive. Nicely done.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm not good at the search function, but I am kinda remembering you saying Kos was lunatic fringe.
Emphasis on "kinda," but it's a big site, and if you spend your time there I'm sure you can find some lunatics.

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I know you don't think the Moveon ad was aimed at a Republican candidate,
remember back when you all were running Dukakis? Was that Willie horton ad for a race or was it fact specific as to a parole decision?

Atticus Grinch 10-03-2007 12:26 AM

Back in the olden days
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Who did security and stuff for diplomats? Has it always been people who aren't military or employees of the government?
You mean for American diplomats abroad? Traditionally that has been a USMC function. Wikipedia. A family friend lived in some pretty swank places doing this. Beats the shit out of Guadalcanal, no?

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 12:35 AM

NYT = just a little to the right of Pravda
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Emphasis on "kinda," but it's a big site, and if you spend your time there I'm sure you can find some lunatics.
but the next time slave cites to it, you'll stand behind it? or you gonna claim it's extreme again?

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
remember back when you all were running Dukakis? Was that Willie horton ad for a race or was it fact specific as to a parole decision?
The ad talked about Dukakis who -- unlike Gen. Petraeus -- are you still with me? -- was a party's candidate for political office.

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The ad talked about Dukakis who -- unlike Gen. Petraeus -- are you still with me? -- was a party's candidate for political office.
okay. I'll trust you that there was nothing underlying the ad about the general that was meant to bleed over onto politicians................. if it is ever shown you're wrong about that, can we use it to show you really aren't to be trusted about anything else because you just say whatever plops into your brain?

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 12:52 AM

Back in the olden days
 
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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
You mean for American diplomats abroad? Traditionally that has been a USMC function. Wikipedia. A family friend lived in some pretty swank places doing this. Beats the shit out of Guadalcanal, no?
i'll bet a guy like you, with predictable bathroom times, could really carve out a niche for himself in the secret service.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
okay. I'll trust you that there was nothing underlying the ad about the general that was meant to bleed over onto politicians................. if it is ever shown you're wrong about that, can we use it to show you really aren't to be trusted about anything else because you just say whatever plops into your brain?
I would not be surprised if Moveon also meant to attack the White House with that ad, but I'm pretty sure that there's a constitutional thingy that prevents Bush from running for a third term.

I'm still surprised that none of the conservatives around here have said that free speech about matters of political significance is important and that Will should STFU.

SlaveNoMore 10-03-2007 03:06 AM

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Tyrone Slothrop
I'm still surprised that none of the conservatives around here have said that free speech about matters of political significance is important and that Will should STFU.
I think you meant "libertarian".

But I do note you point to the conservatives on this issue - since we are all know that liberals will and do stifle any and all debate that runs contrary to there meme de jour.

Atticus Grinch 10-03-2007 03:58 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
remember back when you all were running Dukakis? Was that Willie horton ad for a race or was it fact specific as to a parole decision?
Oh, I think we can all agree it was for a particular race. IYKWIMAITYD.

Atticus Grinch 10-03-2007 04:11 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
okay. I'll trust you that there was nothing underlying the ad about the general that was meant to bleed over onto politicians.................
I'm not following the argument. Iraq policy is a legislative issue. What regime are you proposing for non-broadcast issue ads?

I assume the answer is "none," so what's your beef, again?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-03-2007 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I would not be surprised if Moveon also meant to attack the White House with that ad, but I'm pretty sure that there's a constitutional thingy that prevents Bush from running for a third term.

I'm still surprised that none of the conservatives around here have said that free speech about matters of political significance is important and that Will should STFU.

On the first, stop "lawyering" this issue and look at it from simple laymen's terms. Moveon was getting free press for a Dem candidate, just indirectly. Arguing otherwise is silly.

On the second, you're contradicting yourself, which is my shtick. Stay on your own corner.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-03-2007 05:56 AM

Kos = Nobody here gets laid
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Emphasis on "kinda," but it's a big site, and if you spend your time there I'm sure you can find some lunatics.
I find it less a lunatic site than the sort of thing I'd imagine being frequented by people like the Comic Book Store Owner from the Simpsons.

Of all its sins, Kos' biggest is that is a Grade A dork kingdom.

In fairness I'd have to say the same about Limbaugh's audience. But that's no excuse. Kos is a serious fucking tool, and his followers are the highest level of involuntary celibates around. Read the posts on it. The thing's like an Onion spoof. The dialogue is the kind of silly gibberish you'd hear from people who love Nine Inch Nails, braid their goatees and say "injustice" a lot.

If you feel bad about your life, read Kos.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-03-2007 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Kos never excluded black people? Just guessing here.
He never excluded anyone, and that's probably why he has no mainstream credibility.

The Kos fans and the Limbaugh fans should duel each other in a massive Dungeons and Dragons tournament in Vegas.

And then we should chain the doors and burn down the casino with them all inside.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
On the first, stop "lawyering" this issue and look at it from simple laymen's terms. Moveon was getting free press for a Dem candidate, just indirectly. Arguing otherwise is silly.
I know you don't think this, but you could create a layman sock to make these arguments.

Gattigap 10-03-2007 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
He never excluded anyone, and that's probably why he has no mainstream credibility.

The Kos fans and the Limbaugh fans should duel each other in a massive Dungeons and Dragons tournament in Vegas.

And then we should chain the doors and burn down the casino with them all inside.
This is your best work.

taxwonk 10-03-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I think you meant "libertarian".

But I do note you point to the conservatives on this issue - since we are all know that liberals will and do stifle any and all debate that runs contrary to there meme de jour.
Oh, shut up.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 12:55 PM

Way to stifle discussion.

taxwonk 10-03-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Way to stifle discussion.
Debate. I was stifling debate.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Debate. I was stifling debate.
No you weren't.

SlaveNoMore 10-03-2007 01:36 PM

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taxwonk
Oh, shut up.

:sportswav

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 05:30 PM

NYT = just a little to the right of Pravda
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
:sportswav
Excellent news, Slave: The military has found a way to both limit the media's First Amendment rights and lift the ratio of positive news reported from Iraq:
  • U.S. authorities confiscated an AP Television News videotape that contained scenes of the wounded being evacuated [after the car bomb attack today in Baghdad on the Polish ambassador]. U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl told the AP the government of Iraq had made it illegal to photograph or videotape the aftermath of bombings or other attacks.

link

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Excellent news, Slave: The military has found a way to both limit the media's First Amendment rights and lift the ratio of positive news reported from Iraq:
  • U.S. authorities confiscated an AP Television News videotape that contained scenes of the wounded being evacuated [after the car bomb attack today in Baghdad on the Polish ambassador]. U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl told the AP the government of Iraq had made it illegal to photograph or videotape the aftermath of bombings or other attacks.

link
Iraq has amendments to its constitution already?

Hank Chinaski 10-03-2007 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Oh, I think we can all agree it was for a particular race. IYKWIMAITYD.
people in detroit were pissed because Willy Horton is a beloved former tiger outfielder. Ty, it would be like if a guy named Terry Duerod was a criminal, i mean some other one, not the famous Terry duerod.

SlaveNoMore 10-03-2007 05:35 PM

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Hank Chinaski
Iraq has amendments to its constituion already?
They've yet to master the art of the fillibuster.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
They've yet to master the art of the fillibuster.
Now that Republicans are in the minority, it's not called that anymore. Instead, the stories talk about how the Democrats have failed to get the 60 votes they need to overcome procedural requirements, and bullshit like that. You wouldn't even know that the GOP is on a record pace with the filibusters.

eta: Refreshingly, this lack of reporting means that your indignation over filibusters has survived the shift in control of Congress. I look forward to your continued majoritarian outrage as the Republicans continue to frustrate the will of the people.

SlaveNoMore 10-03-2007 06:03 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Now that Republicans are in the minority, it's not called that anymore. Instead, the stories talk about how the Democrats have failed to get the 60 votes they need to overcome procedural requirements, and bullshit like that. You wouldn't even know that the GOP is on a record pace with the filibusters.

eta: Refreshingly, this lack of reporting means that your indignation over filibusters has survived the shift in control of Congress. I look forward to your continued majoritarian outrage as the Republicans continue to frustrate the will of the people.
Actually, I still find the inability of anything to actually make it to an 'up or down' vote to be national disgrace. Unlike you and your ilk, I don't change my positions depending on who is saying it.

That said, the only thing that this lack of cloture has done is that it has given cover to a bunch of idiot Dems who huff and puff over issues, knowing fully well they'll never half to actually vote on them and answer to the folks back home.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-03-2007 07:23 PM

NYT = just a little to the right of Pravda
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, I still find the inability of anything to actually make it to an 'up or down' vote to be national disgrace. Unlike you and your ilk, I don't change my positions depending on who is saying it.

That said, the only thing that this lack of cloture has done is that it has given cover to a bunch of idiot Dems who huff and puff over issues, knowing fully well they'll never half to actually vote on them and answer to the folks back home.
Clearly I read too much into the fact that I don't see you complaining about Republican filibusters. My bad. Good job getting a slam on idiot Dems in there. There are, of course, no other idiot politicians.

SlaveNoMore 10-03-2007 07:31 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Clearly I read too much into the fact that I don't see you complaining about Republican filibusters. My bad. Good job getting a slam on idiot Dems in there. There are, of course, no other idiot politicians.
Chafee and Snowe are idiots.

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