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Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2005 10:32 PM

I'm a bad liberal
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
The problem is that you have four cable news channels that are on twenty four hours a day and there is no news.
There is interesting news going on all over the world, but it is a damn sight cheaper to have a schmuck like Bill O'Reilly at a desk fulminating about the War On Christmas than it is to pay reporters to go places and find stuff out.

Spanky 12-02-2005 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Although, back then, there was no real issue about suppressing/minimizing the vote of minority groups.

This is what makes the whole thing ridiculous. Dividing districts based upon racial grounds should be unconstitutional (not the other way around). Assuming that you can only be properly represented by someone of your own race is beyond absurd. However, the these minority voting districts usually help Republicans because minority voters are concentrated all in one district preventing them from being spread around to various Democrat leaning districts. Texas seems to be the exception not the rule.

But I still think the whole idea is absurd.

Spanky 12-02-2005 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
There is interesting news going on all over the world, but it is a damn sight cheaper to have a schmuck like Bill O'Reilly at a desk fulminating about the War On Christmas than it is to pay reporters to go places and find stuff out.
Less used to call this the talking heads syndrome. We were roomates during the Gulf War and he pointed out that on every channel there was some idiot babbling and no real footage or reporting of the war.

They are being Lazy and Cheap.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2005 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
They might. I've found that most government lawyers are more interventionist, regardless of the area of law, than the typical defense lawyer. Adverse selection in both ways I suspect.
They don't get paid as much, so they have to get their jollies (read: utils) in other ways.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2005 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I should have said less credence. Same point as Hank's--nothing tells us it's not political too. Although we do know for sure the political appointees were political.
The staff attorneys didn't have the juice to get political appointments, so they had to get civil service jobs. Not so for the guys at the top, who are predictably much more partisan -- in any administration, in any branch of the government, I'd wager.

nononono 12-02-2005 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Less used to call this the talking heads syndrome. We were roomates during the Gulf War and he pointed out that on every channel there was some idiot babbling and no real footage or reporting of the war.

They are being Lazy and Cheap.
Good grief, is this a tie-in to the FB's discussion of Springsteen ("57 channels and there's nothin on). What has the world come to?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2005 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I think Molly Ivins once said that redistricting is like playing three dimentional chess.
What's the third dimension? Is she one of those people who think maps are brainwashing us into thinking that Canada and Argentina are tiny?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-02-2005 11:24 PM

I'm a bad liberal
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
They are being Lazy and Cheap.
It's not their fault -- an invisible hand is controlling their puppet strings.

Hank Chinaski 12-03-2005 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The staff attorneys didn't have the juice to get political appointments, so they had to get civil service jobs. Not so for the guys at the top, who are predictably much more partisan -- in any administration, in any branch of the government, I'd wager.
Quick question- remember back to your first year- always writing memos? sometimes the partner would say "research this issue- I want to know if our client can do this- be objective. consider both sides fairly."

Sometimes partner might say "our client has done this, and I want to know how to best position our arguments."

I liked the first kind! you just say "here's an argument- here's a counter argument."

second kind is like "here's our best argument- they'll say this, but we can answer that."

But I've never really seen a 10 page memo with only arguments for one side advanced, and this memo was what 60 pages? Maybe if I was trying to fool the partner into taking a position I might have a memo with only one side considered, but why would I try and fool the partner?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-03-2005 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Quick question- remember back to your first year- always writing memos? sometimes the partner would say "research this issue- I want to know if our client can do this- be objective. consider both sides fairly."

Sometimes partner might say "our client has done this, and I want to know how to best position our arguments."

I liked the first kind! you just say "here's an argument- here's a counter argument."

second kind is like "here's our best argument- they'll say this, but we can answer that."

But I've never really seen a 10 page memo with only arguments for one side advanced, and this memo was what 60 pages? Maybe if I was trying to fool the partner into taking a position I might have a memo with only one side considered, but why would I try and fool the partner?
Unlike the legal research memos drafted by your firm's first-years, it sounds like the DOJ memo actually dealt with facts.

Hank Chinaski 12-03-2005 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Unlike the legal research memos drafted by your firm's first-years, it sounds like the DOJ memo actually dealt with facts.
I'll edit this in an hour and delete your response- you go back and edit- and deal with this- a 60 page memo that includes no arguments for one side. I remember when I was a quasi-judicial officer of the United States Dept. of Commerce- anyway when i would get a 2 page brief saying I was wrong I was a lot more nervous than when I got a 20 page brief. 60 pages? ain't no way there's not 2 sides to that story- and there isn't a contrary argument? I think you all should be attacking the Bush admin for the incompetant memo drafting.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-03-2005 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'll edit this in an hour and delete your response- you go back and edit- and deal with this- a 60 page memo that includes no arguments for one side. I remember when I was a quasi-judicial officer of the United States Dept. of Commerce- anyway when i would get a 2 page brief saying I was wrong I was a lot more nervous than when I got a 20 page brief. 60 pages? ain't no way there's not 2 sides to that story- and there isn't a contrary argument? I think you all should be attacking the Bush admin for the incompetant memo drafting.
I heard it would have been a 30 page memo, but they used lots of big words.

Hank Chinaski 12-03-2005 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I heard it would have been a 30 page memo, but they used lots of big words.

Big words? Coup is 4 letters.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-03-2005 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Big words? Coup is 4 letters.
You're counting "coup"?

Hank Chinaski 12-03-2005 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You're counting "coup"?
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