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Laughing So Hard I Blew Coffee All Over My Monitor

It's why the crappy coffee was keeping her from seeing the masturbation joke, eh?

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Protests in Lebanon against Syria

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i063538S45.DTL

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Question: have you always been a neocon or is this a retroactive conversion?

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What are you, a fucking Canadian?

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Fox says Syria is pulling its troops out of Lebanon- that's good isn't it?

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I'm now thinking my definition of "neocon" must be horribly wrong.

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I'm not sure what my post has to do with neoconservatism, but the answer is no. I just agree with the administration that supporting the spread of freedom, human rights, and, if possible, democracy, is both a moral imperative and the the best course for protecting American interests.

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Um, define "human rights."

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Effing warmongering hegomonist.

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Hegemonist.

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The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=human%20rights

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"benevolent global hegemon" was the term I thought they liked.

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Equality before the law . . . guantanamo bay

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• U.S. diplomats and intelligence officers are conducting secret talks with Iraq's Sunni insurgents on ways to end fighting there, Time magazine reported on Sunday, citing Pentagon and other sources.
  The magazine cited a secret meeting between two members of the U.S. military and an Iraqi negotiator, a middle-aged former member of Saddam Hussein's regime and the senior representative of what he called the nationalist insurgency.
  
  "We are ready to work with you," the Iraqi negotiator said, according to Time.
  
  Iraqi insurgent leaders not aligned with al Qaeda ally Abu Mousab al-Zarqawi told the magazine several nationalist groups composed of what the Pentagon calls "former regime elements" have become open to negotiating. The insurgents said their aim was to establish a political identity that can represent disenfranchised Sunnis.

The so-called insurgency has long consisted of two main elements, the al Qaeda-linked terrorists, most of whom are not Iraqis, and Baathist Sunnis whose objectives are more narrowly political. It sounds as though some of the latter group, at least, are ready to throw in the towel. Their violence had two main strategic objectives: first, to prevent President Bush from being re-elected; second, to prevent the Iraqi election from going forward. Both failed. If they give up, the terrorists will be isolated and can much more easily be defeated.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/


eft

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Your point?

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Wasn't that a video game in the seventies?

(ETA - but seriously, what about his post on Lebanese desires for freedom warranted a neocon reference? Totally lost me.)

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preferably with nuclear weapons, right?

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My understanding is part of the neocon plan is to "spread freedom," and I've been in a few arguments about whether the Lebanese looking to get away from Syria is proof that the grand plan is working.

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I was going to say, "...see?" But then "see" would have been in there twice. Sorry to contaminate your Washington's Birthday with a hint of our friends to the North.

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Wow. This is how you react to the Lebanese movement for freedom?

Are you that incensed that it might just reflect well on Bush's ideas?

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I'm not sure I understand this, but if you are trying to make some assinine argument about spreading freedom at the point of a gun, save it.

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Um... 1 and 2, eh?

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What IS it with you PEOPLE and your CANADIANNESS? gwinky is not going to fuck you just for saying "eh"

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I said nothing about Lebanon. I merely mocked the concept of spreading democracy with military force.

And how, exactly, is Syria's assissination by car bomb, the precipitating event in Lebanon, a part of Bush's ideas?

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Ask, instead, how quickly Lebanese would have been parading on the streets Bashar-bashing two years ago, and if you can think of any reason for a difference.

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freedom
liberty
terrorists
insurgents

I'm glad these words have been overused and abused so much lately that they currently have no value or meaning.

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They have specific and significant meaning for quite a few of us. We already understood about the rest of you.

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True. It does help one's courage to know that there is someone who will get your back when you act out.

In other news, who do you think is going to be appointed the first governor of greater Judea?

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Fuck you. My cousin is in Iraq right now. Fighting for "freedom." So fuck you. Drink the kool-aid, you sheep.

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Syria has long held Lebanon in a rather tyrannical, despotic grip.

Lebanese are just now starting to feel emboldened to try to expell the foreign invaders.

How sad that you think of this as "acting out".

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Did you get reinvolved in those orgs you had decided were making you kinda weird? Because you are really offensively patronizing today.

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If you want to be able to post such banal shit as "freedom and liberty don't mean anything anymore", then you'd better prepare yourself for replies.

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What's offensively patronizing (to me) is how someone can make a joke like that about people who are trying to free themselves. If I'm supposed to chuckle along with you and laugh at the idiot neocons who support such a thing, well, sorry.

I can't believe that anyone on this board thinks that spreading democracy around the world would be a bad thing. But we probably differ about

- whether Bush is trying to go about it in the right way
- whether Bush is trying to go about it
- whether Syria's FOX-reported withdrawal from Lebanon and other good things that happen in the world have much of anything to do with US policy
- whether continuing repression in many of our closest allies (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc.) has much of anything to do with US policy

The thing that struck me about club's original post that doesn't seem to have struck anyone else is what a non-sequitur it was. Lebanon has been struggling with its government for years. Syria's troops brought stability, if not political freedom, but to suggest that freedom is somehow on the march just because Syrian troops might be leaving just does not follow, any more than to suggest that the departure of our troops from Iraq would usher in a new day of policy liberty and freedom.

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I didn't say that. You are just coming off as weird like you were for a while, and at the (unbelievably welcome) end to that period, you attributed it to being involved with the Moonies or something.

Saddam brough stability to Iraq, and to the entire region as well.

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Man, did you read that wrong.

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You shouldn't read too much into the phrase. My lament is that America has become a country willing to invade anyone we don't like, not the Lebanese desire to improve their lot.

That said, Lebanon is a historical mess and its hard to say who the good guys are.

I am just continually amazed how comfortable we have become with the idea of being an empire.

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Whatever. They mean a lot to me. They don't mean shit to this administration. They are used for marketing purposes and fearmongering. They are a vehicle for this administration to sell us a load of crap. That was my point. They are abused by this administration. Your monkey has turned them into watered-down management-speak.

The founding fathers would be embarrassed.

Will a real republican please stand up?

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I gotta play all the angles I can, hoser.