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taxwonk 07-12-2005 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
It's not a question of subordinate, what if they are equivalent?
They can't be. By definition, one of the competing interests has to lose. That's what makes abortion such a Gordian knot.

Replaced_Texan 07-12-2005 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by bilmore
Strangely enough, almost a perfect fit for me, too.
Me too. I think the aliens will get here in about six minutes. I'm going down to my car for the running shoes and jog bra. Good luck to everyone else in surviving the apocolypse.

nononono 07-12-2005 04:10 PM
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Does anyone have any reliable stats on what percentage of abortions are done in the first trimester, due to a direct compromising of the mother's health? It would help me to formulate my thoughts on this if I knew how the breakdown goes, to know if the arguing points are at the fringes or in the middle, volume-wise. I don't, frankly, trust most of the stats I have seen, as they mostly come from agendaed sources. Count me in on the evolving views.

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Originally posted by Not Bob
That's pretty close to where I am, too.

nononono 07-12-2005 04:13 PM
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Don't worry; I don't think you missed too much. It's nothing like the sensational stories of sex ed classes today I keep hearing about. Now *there's* where you can pick up some technique, apparently.

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I didn't have one, unless you count biology.

A bummer, really. I could have used the tips.

robustpuppy 07-12-2005 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Me too. I think the aliens will get here in about six minutes. I'm going down to my car for the running shoes and jog bra. Good luck to everyone else in surviving the apocolypse.
Who knew Penske was the voice of truth and reason?

Replaced_Texan 07-12-2005 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Who knew Penske was the voice of truth and reason?
The Book of Revelations?

robustpuppy 07-12-2005 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Does anyone have any reliable stats on what percentage of abortions are done in the first trimester, due to a direct compromising of the mother's health? It would help me to formulate my thoughts on this if I knew how the breakdown goes, to know if the arguing points are at the fringes or in the middle, volume-wise. I don't, frankly, trust most of the stats I have seen, as they mostly come from agendaed sources. Count me in on the evolving views.
Are women or their doctors required to state the reason for the abortion, much like Banana Republic asks me why I'm returning a given item? (For the record, I usually say "shopped drunk," or "ass looks bigger at home.")

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOO SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a start...................................

Hank Chinaski 07-12-2005 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
The Book of Revelations?
I'm not old skool, but what I don't get is why Penske wasn't ran off like they did with the other halfwits that have shown up over the last few years. How is Penske any more entertaining than say loberry or burning bush or burberry bikini?

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
That's pretty close to where I am, too.
If gay marraige was legal I would propose..........runaway to Canada with me Not_bob!

taxwonk 07-12-2005 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by bilmore
Call me a cynic, but I don't think you were being sincere.
I wasn't. But then, I'm not Woodrow Wilson or Robert Byrd. Would you apologize for Pat Buchanan or David Duke?

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-12-2005 04:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Who knew Penske was the voice of truth and reason?
Proof that people can change.

I'd be happy to take responsibility for sending along an ACLU application to him, as well as the complimentary boxed set of Oliver Stone movies.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by bilmore
Strangely enough, almost a perfect fit for me, too.
Translation (hi TM!): As horrifying a thought as this is, I agree with Penske.

taxwonk 07-12-2005 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Translation (hi TM!): As horrifying a thought as this is, I agree with Penske.
Translation: When I'm not busy spewing vitriol or just stirring up the shit, I tend to have a lot of common ground with many of the posters on this board on a lot of issues, at least when they're not spewing vitriol or just stirring up the shit.

nononono 07-12-2005 04:28 PM
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No idea. Someone out there must have some idea, though. I have the opposite issue when shopping drunk - I get much cuter things, and more of them, so I want to keep them. Got to check the ass more, though, now that you mention it.


Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Are women or their doctors required to state the reason for the abortion, much like Banana Republic asks me why I'm returning a given item? (For the record, I usually say "shopped drunk," or "ass looks bigger at home.")

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
I don't know how people can even stand to have this argument. More so than any other political debate (and it's a crying shame that this issue is so central to American politics), you can never change anyone's mind on it, each side finds the other's viewpoint offensive because the rights on the other side are considered so fundamental, and any compromise point (such as "on demand" versus "when health is at risk")* is utterly arbitrary. It's just exhausting even to witness this debate, let alone to contemplate how it has shaped (or grossly distorted) American political life.

(*Although I will throw in here that this line seems impossible to draw if you concede -- and not everyone does -- that the health risks to women who seek to terminate pregnancies when on demand abortion is not available are relevant.)**

** (Just doing this made me tired.)
Interestingly I agree with some of the above and it is in fact the position I came to and posited back when Reagan was president and it really was morning in America. Also, interestingly, I was pro-choice based on my libertarianism. All of this remained solid until my mind started to change in the late 90s (this is where I diverge with the above, minds can change).

Nothing about my shift has anything to do with (1) politics or (2) religion. Just my thoughts about life and when a fetus/pre-birth infant gets basic rights. I wouldn't make this a litmus test (unlike my anti-tax litmus test) for voting nor would I make it a litmus test for or against a judicial nomination.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Who knew Penske was the voice of truth and reason?
[hi RP!]The same people who knew my socks don't suck.[/hi RP!]

bilmore 07-12-2005 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
I don't know how people can even stand to have this argument.
Yeah, this is why I swore, months ago, to never discuss the topic on the internet ever again.

ltl/fb 07-12-2005 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Does anyone have any reliable stats on what percentage of abortions are done in the first trimester, due to a direct compromising of the mother's health? It would help me to formulate my thoughts on this if I knew how the breakdown goes, to know if the arguing points are at the fringes or in the middle, volume-wise. I don't, frankly, trust most of the stats I have seen, as they mostly come from agendaed sources. Count me in on the evolving views.
I don't think there are any unagendaed sources on this. Anyway, I can't figure out how y'all are grouping things, or whether everyone who is agreeing is grouping things the same way. Is it:

(1) Any abortion in the first trimester (or so) fine
(2) Any abortion thereafter fine if (significant? how is this measured?) health risk to the mother (does mental count?)
(3) Any abortion thereafter fine if fetus not viable (what does this mean, anyway? would not be born alive? Baby would not live more than a day or two? Baby would be severely handicapped and would not live more than a year or two, and those years would be spent in a hospital hooked up to machines?)

OR

(1) Any abortion in the first trimester (or so) fine
(2) Any abortion thereafter fine if there is a health risk to the mother and the fetus is not viable?

???? I couldn't tell which one Penske originally posited, so I definitely can't tell what people are agreeing with. Plus there are all the unanswered questions.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-12-2005 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by taxwonk
They can't be. By definition, one of the competing interests has to lose. That's what makes abortion such a Gordian knot.
True. Its a mess. When I see messes, I err on letting people decide for themselves. Hence, pro choice. To me its a no brainer.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-12-2005 04:40 PM
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Yeah, this is why I swore, months ago, to never discuss the topic on the internet ever again.
I'm glad you did. You just helped me write one of the most scathing briefs I've done in a while. This thing will definitely have to be edited before it sees court.

Too much "eviseration" and "utterly meritless" and "strains credulity."

robustpuppy 07-12-2005 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by nononono
No idea. Someone out there must have some idea, though. I have the opposite issue when shopping drunk - I get much cuter things, and more of them, so I want to keep them. Got to check the ass more, though, now that you mention it.
You kind of missed my point here, which was that I don't feel the need to tell Banana Republic my reason for returning something, those nosy bastards.

nononono 07-12-2005 04:41 PM
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I didn't miss it. Just moved onto to an easier topic.

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
You kind of missed my point here, which was that I don't feel the need to tell Banana Republic my reason for returning something, those nosy bastards.

spookyfish 07-12-2005 04:42 PM
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You kind of missed my point here, which was that I don't feel the need to tell Banana Republic my reason for returning something, those nosy bastards.
Don't be so sensitive. Women's figures are supposed to change when they are pregnant.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm not old skool, but what I don't get is why Penske wasn't ran off like they did with the other halfwits that have shown up over the last few years. How is Penske any more entertaining than say loberry or burning bush or burberry bikini?
Is this the whack mybuttski thing?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-12-2005 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. Exactly. If we let the women vote, and they came out pro-life, I'd live with it.
.
That makes no sense whatsoever, even if you were one of the women who "had to live with it". It's either an individual right or it's not. Who cares what the popular opinion on it is. If a majority of women voted against blow jobs, would you expect gwnc to live with it?

Say_hello_for_me 07-12-2005 04:44 PM
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I wasn't. But then, I'm not Woodrow Wilson or Robert Byrd. Would you apologize for Pat Buchanan or David Duke?
I'll stand and cheer while you lynch them!

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:44 PM
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I wasn't. But then, I'm not Woodrow Wilson or Robert Byrd. Would you apologize for Pat Buchanan or David Duke?
I'm an independent.

robustpuppy 07-12-2005 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by spookyfish
Don't be so sensitive. Women's figures are supposed to change when they are pregnant.
If the quality of the sewing were better, the seams wouldn't split. I shouldn't have to explain this to someone who thinks it's stylish to wear keys on a rubber bracelet on her arm.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Proof that people can change.

I'd be happy to take responsibility for sending along an ACLU application to him, as well as the complimentary boxed set of Oliver Stone movies.
I actually am fine with the ACLU on some issues, differ on others, but respect them as defenders of ideals that they believe in.

Oliver Stone, no problem there, a hollyweirdo to be sure, but an artiste. I respect art.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by bilmore
Yeah, this is why I swore, months ago, to never discuss the topic on the internet ever again.
Didn't Mary JoJo White once expose your rampant male chauvanistic sexism? that should have corked your piehole once and for all.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:51 PM
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To me i's a no brainer.
We know.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by spookyfish
Don't be so sensitive. Women's figures are supposed to change when they are pregnant.
2!!!!!!!!!!

bilmore 07-12-2005 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Penske_Account
Didn't Mary JoJo White once expose your rampant male chauvanistic sexism? that should have corked your piehole once and for all.
Ah, Mary JoJo White. I miss her.

In theory, I mean.

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, Mary JoJo White. I miss her.

In theory, I mean.

Old Skool baby, old skool.

bilmore 07-12-2005 05:13 PM
Recent manifesto received in newsrooms - an excerpt:

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"We are Unitarian Jihad, and our motto is: "Sincerity is not enough." We have heard from enough sincere people to last a lifetime already. Just because you believe it's true doesn't make it true. Just because your motives are pure doesn't mean you are not doing harm. Get a dog, or comfort someone in a nursing home, or just feed the birds in the park. Play basketball. Lighten up. The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.

Brother Gatling Gun of Patience notes that he's pretty sure the world is out to get him because everyone laughs when he says he is a Unitarian. There were murmurs of assent around the room, and someone suggested that we buy some Congress members and really stick it to the Baptists. But this was deemed against Revolutionary Principles, and Brother Gatling Gun of Patience was remanded to the Sunday Flowers and Banners committee.

People of the United States! We are Unitarian Jihad! We can strike without warning. Pockets of reasonableness and harmony will appear as if from nowhere! Nice people will run the government again! There will be coffee and cookies in the Gandhi Room after the revolution. "

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DG27BCFLG1.DTL

Replaced_Texan 07-12-2005 05:47 PM
You know things are bad when Democrats start taking out ads in on the radio using their campaign money to object to the new tax bill.

Oh, the things we do in this state to avoid a state income tax. Strippers, booze, sales tax. Everything but income...

bilmore 07-12-2005 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan Oh, the things we do in this state to avoid a state income tax. Strippers, booze, sales tax. Everything but income...
Maybe I was being obtuse. Was the characterization of the stripper-tax as a tax on "broad-based businesses" intentionally or unintentionally funny?

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 06:21 PM
breaking.....
 
Rumour is that the Senate Dumbocrats suggested Judge Sonia Sotomayor of the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals and Judge Ed Prado of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals as possible nominees to the SCotUS when Bush let them come to the White House today.

These two do not appear on my list Sorry liberals, nice try, thanks for playing, but, whiff

taxwonk 07-12-2005 06:26 PM
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I'm an independent.
Translation: I'm so fucking far out past the fringe even the LaRouche crowd won't have me.


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