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Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-21-2006 04:47 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Uh, ok. But I think the focus of the article's was essentially why they chose to make a movie back then about Milan beating an all-black team instead of a movie about the first all-black team to win the state championship, which is the movie they'd make now.

(Don't get me wrong. I love Hoosiers.)

TM
That would have been a better story than Glory Road. They could have begun the movie with Milan (now portayed as a bunch of yuppie racist white kids) beating them in the quarters the year before.

Not Bob 09-21-2006 04:50 PM
"I must break you."
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I am not a fan of the Sportsguy. At all. I have tried, but I don't like him.

Apropos of that, it does seem wrong of him to omit mention of Rocky IV, when all Americans, black and white, rich and poor, united against the Commie threat in the form of Dolph Lundgren and Brigitte Nielsen. They killed Apollo, for god's sake.
I blame that one on Rocky -- he didn't throw in the towel when he knew that Apollo was in trouble. Sure, Apollo begged him not to, but still.

AoN, one the that I miss about the end of the Cold War is the disappearnce of the incredibly hot yet evil Commie chick femme fatale.

Hank Chinaski 09-21-2006 04:51 PM
Sportsguy
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
It was also wrong of him not to mention Bring It On. So very wrong.
this is funny. only the second funniest thing you posted today, but still funny.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 04:52 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Jack Manfred
Really long post that didn't distinguish between TSG's column and TM's comments.
I did, but didn't do a very good job. I should have put a line in after the quotation mark to make it clearer.

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred
TM, you should read the conversations between Ralph Wiley and TSG in the Insider section. They go over some of this.

There's been a quest for authenticity in hip hop for the past 15 years. Hell, you can even argue that Vanilla Ice sparked that quest.
I don't know what this means. Do you mean a quest for authenticity in mainstream hip hop? Because that is and isn't true. If, by authenticity you mean manufactured gangster rap by actual gangsters signed to try to appeal to a broader audience that is begging for an tilted view of ghetto life, then yes. There has been.

But if you mean, there's been a quest for authentic ghetto and hip-hop-culture voices who speak the truth and don't necessarily glorify materialism, violence and misogyny, then I have to disagree.

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred
Studio executives have known for a long time that blacks go to see more movies than whites per capita. That audience has allowed black directors and stars to carve out their niche. For a couple of years they've come to the realization that the same white teenagers who are buying rap records (or downloading tracks, whatever) have no problem seeing movies with those same rappers.
Agreed.

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred
I would argue that Elvis Presley is to Pat Boone as Justin Timberlake is to Vanilla Ice.
What is Timberlake to Michael Jackson (beside straight-up impersonator) or Ursher?

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Originally posted by Jack Manfred
And The Wire is fantastic and has been so for some time. It's the same creative team behind Homicide: Life On The Streets.
I'm in. They got me.

TM

nononono 09-21-2006 04:57 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I don't know what this means. Do you mean a quest for authenticity in mainstream hip hop? Because that is and isn't true. If, by authenticity you mean manufactured gangster rap by actual gangsters signed to try to appeal to a broader audience that is begging for an tilted view of ghetto life, then yes. There has been.

But if you mean, there's been a quest for authentic ghetto and hip-hop-culture voices who speak the truth and don't necessarily glorify materialism, violence and misogyny, then I have to disagree.
Good distinction. Most of the latter group I've heard has been being played on alternative-type (non-commercial) stations, for some reason.

robustpuppy 09-21-2006 04:58 PM
Wonking to the Sebby
 
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
In love and then, as Heidi Klum says, out.

TM
As I feared.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 04:59 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
elaborate on that if you want an answer.

But here's when you'll know there's more progress- when about half the white Americans* in the NBA get cut. You (not you Thurgreed) can make the argument that a substantial portion of the crowd is white and they want to see white guys playing, and it is a business selling a product- but that's so sad.

When the Pistons had Jon Berry he was a crowd favorite. He'd come in and hit some open 3s and people would go nuts. Meanwhile, anyone who knows basketball was thinking "oh shit. who is he going to guard?" and the coach knew he couldn't guard anyone so he'd get the hook pretty soon. I know plenty of kids who can hit 3s pretty regularly- that alone shouldn't be a ticket into the NBA. His being on the court was insulting my intelligence.

I was amazed/impressed when Dumars brought in Rasheed because the move cleaned out all white guys, and yet he trusted the fans to realize it made sense. He traded away Bobby Sura to get him, and Bobby actually does(did?) belong on the court. Rasheed coming in took all of Okur's time, so it was all black guys almost all the time- AND I've never once heard anyone complain.


*and I'm not some suck up white apologist, because my kid kicks the shit out of anyone in basketball (if he can just catch one more growth spurt, I'm buying you all lunch with the money Izzo will be saving me)
The biggest travesty was the Jason Williams hype when he first came into the league. All flash, zero substance. Couldn't guard anyone. I remember arguing with white friends (who actually played basketball) that Damon Stoudamire had a much better handle and all that fancy crap didn't mean a damn thing. They thought I was nuts. I kept asking why they thought he got yanked in the playoffs at the end of the games and why his jersey was the number 1 selling jersey in the league, but they had no answers.

Long post short, you're not going to get too big an argument from me.

TM

robustpuppy 09-21-2006 05:00 PM
Back from the meeting
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Without having scrolled to read the discussion that led to this, I approve of the new board title.
You should have seen the original.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 05:01 PM
Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
I confess I used to love the TV show. But I never saw the movie. That may also be wrong.
I recently saw the movie again. The tv show was better. In fact, all my memories of it turned out to be of the tv show.

And here's where you earn it. In sweat!

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 09-21-2006 05:01 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by nononono
Good distinction. Most of the latter group I've heard has been being played on alternative-type (non-commercial) stations, for some reason.
Commerical radio is just horrible. And I think more and more people, even your typical American sheep, are figuring that out.

Obviously, cool communities like the FB have known this for years. Flower has known it his entire life.

Replaced_Texan 09-21-2006 05:01 PM
Wonking to the Sebby
 
Quote:
Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Do you also sing the body electric?

(Damn Fame soundtrack.)
I purchased the Flashdance DVD ($5.99 at Target) for research purposes for my sister's birthday party. I now have "Manhunt" alternating with "Maniac" on repeat in my mental soundtrack. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have the strange compulsion to dance around a loft every half hour.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 05:02 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
And they made that movie. It was called Glory Road (although it was Texas Western).
Yep, which was my, er, the Sportsguy's point.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 05:04 PM
Sportsguy
 
Quote:
Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I am not a fan of the Sportsguy. At all. I have tried, but I don't like him.

Apropos of that, it does seem wrong of him to omit mention of Rocky IV, when all Americans, black and white, rich and poor, united against the Commie threat in the form of Dolph Lundgren and Brigitte Nielsen. They killed Apollo, for god's sake.
Whatever he hits, he destroys!

TM

nononono 09-21-2006 05:04 PM
Sportsguy on Sports Movies
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Commerical radio is just horrible. And I think more and more people, even your typical American sheep, are figuring that out.

Obviously, cool communities like the FB have known this for years. Flower has known it his entire life.
I suppose, though there is a ton of tripe clogging most of my airwaves, so someone must be listening. There is one pretty decent commercial station here, and then thank God for progressive programming outside that world. You won't hear Carla Bruni followed by Atmosphere followed by Tom Waits on Clear Channel.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-21-2006 05:06 PM
The Big Hurt
 
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Originally posted by J. Fred Muggs
I can see why they thought immediately of setting her up with you.
Is it because I'm so rich?

TM


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