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Sexual Harassment Panda 07-12-2005 06:37 PM

breaking.....
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Rumour is that the Senate Dumbocrats suggested Judge Sonia Sotomayor of the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals and Judge Ed Prado of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals as possible nominees to the SCotUS when Bush let them come to the White House today.

These two do not appear on my list Sorry liberals, nice try, thanks for playing, but, whiff
I don't understand - are you saying they are not qualified?

sgtclub 07-12-2005 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
I don't understand - are you saying they are not qualified?
This whole advise and consent thing has been flipped on it's head. Yes, the President needs the advise and consent of the Senate. The DEMs apparently believe that "Senate" should be replaced with "the minority party, so long as the minority party is the Democratic Party."

ltl/fb 07-12-2005 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This whole advise and consent thing has been flipped on it's head. Yes, the President needs the advise and consent of the Senate. The DEMs apparently believe that "Senate" should be replaced with "the minority party, so long as the minority party is the Democratic Party."
Can't you just go hang out on the FB, you bad boy you?

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This whole advise and consent thing has been flipped on it's head. Yes, the President needs the advise and consent of the Senate. The DEMs apparently believe that "Senate" should be replaced with "the minority party, so long as the minority party is the Democratic Party."
2. PotD. The hypocrasy of the modern day Dummo party knows no bounds.

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-12-2005 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This whole advise and consent thing has been flipped on it's head. Yes, the President needs the advise and consent of the Senate. The DEMs apparently believe that "Senate" should be replaced with "the minority party, so long as the minority party is the Democratic Party."
Now where could they possibly have gotten THAT idea?

bilmore 07-12-2005 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Now where could they possibly have gotten THAT idea?
You're referring, of course, to the Republicans' long history of filibustering judicial candidates?

Replaced_Texan 07-12-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. PotD. The hypocrasy of the modern day Dummo party knows no bounds.
Nina Totenburg was talking about Orrin Hatch's suggestions to Clinton for the Supreme Court this morning: Ginsburg and Bryer. In 1993 and 1994, who was the majority party in the Senate?

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-12-2005 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You're referring, of course, to the Republicans' long history of filibustering judicial candidates?
I am sure it will depend on the meaning of "filibuster".

sgtclub 07-12-2005 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Can't you just go hang out on the FB, you bad boy you?
Baby steps. I can't go cold turkey.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-12-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This whole advise and consent thing has been flipped on it's head. Yes, the President needs the advise and consent of the Senate. The DEMs apparently believe that "Senate" should be replaced with "the minority party, so long as the minority party is the Democratic Party."
do you always take advice given to you?

bilmore 07-12-2005 07:25 PM

Too funny
 
"KARL ROVE'S WEB OF EVIL

Right from day one, Karl Rove cemented his link with the religious right, by being born on Dec 25, 1950, a day many on the right refer to as “Christmas," a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ (an influential leader worshiped by the religious right.) It was no surprise that Dec 25, 1950 was ALSO the same EXACT day Communist forces recrossed the 38th parallel into South Korea. Clearly, Rove was already making an impact.

"This is what he does," says one observer.

After an unremarkable stint in high school, Rove entered the University of Utah, which currently ranks FIFTH HIGHEST among the nation's campuses for drug-related arrests. Rove dropped out after a few years. What is more interesting: when you research other individuals who have dropped out of college, two names keep coming up.

Rush Limbaugh. Tucker Carlson.

Coincidence?

. . . (more) .. .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...evil_3731.html

Penske_Account 07-12-2005 07:41 PM

Too funny
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
Rove dropped out after a few years. What is more interesting: when you research other individuals who have dropped out of college, two names keep coming up.

Rush Limbaugh. Tucker Carlson.

Coincidence?
that's it? It is just those 3?!?! In the history of the world, 3 people dropped out of college and coincidentally or not, it happened to be 3 modern day conservative icons. this is shocking.

Wait, didn't Teddy K. drop out of law school?


eta: oops, me bad, TK was expelled from HLS. Twice. once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him. the immoral depravity of the Dummos knows no bounds.

Sexual Harassment Panda 07-12-2005 07:44 PM

Too funny
 
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Originally posted by bilmore
"KARL ROVE'S WEB OF EVIL

Right from day one, Karl Rove cemented his link with the religious right, by being born on Dec 25, 1950, a day many on the right refer to as “Christmas," a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ (an influential leader worshiped by the religious right.) It was no surprise that Dec 25, 1950 was ALSO the same EXACT day Communist forces recrossed the 38th parallel into South Korea. Clearly, Rove was already making an impact.

"This is what he does," says one observer.

After an unremarkable stint in high school, Rove entered the University of Utah, which currently ranks FIFTH HIGHEST among the nation's campuses for drug-related arrests. Rove dropped out after a few years. What is more interesting: when you research other individuals who have dropped out of college, two names keep coming up.

Rush Limbaugh. Tucker Carlson.

Coincidence?

. . . (more) .. .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...evil_3731.html
You laugh, but that's the way we liberals really think. I heard it from Ann Coulter.

Spanky 07-12-2005 08:32 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
You kind of missed my point here, which was that I don't feel the need to tell Banana Republic my reason for returning something, those nosy bastards.
That is why you should shop at Nordstroms

sgtclub 07-12-2005 09:17 PM

Voodoo Economics
 
  • A top White House economic adviser is predicting that better-than-expected tax revenue may put this year`s federal budget deficit "well below" previous estimates.
    In his first major speech since became chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers last month, Ben Bernanke said wage and salary income has been much greater than expected, and it is possible that the labor market is stronger than previously thought.

    In a speech to the American Enterprise Institute, the former Federal Reserve governor said if the increase tax collections continue along with spending controls, the government`s budget deficit will be reduced below its projected level.

    However, Bernanke did not offer specific numbers, which are scheduled to be released in the government`s "midsession`` update tomorrow.

    Earlier this year, the White House projected a 427-billion-dollar shortfall for the fiscal year that ends September 30th.

    Some private analysts have projected the deficit will actually be closer to 350-billion-dollars.

    But the Congressional Budget Office now believes the shortfall could be below 325-billion.

    White House officials say the shriking deficit is a sign that President Bush`s tax-cutting policies are working.

    However, some economists say at least part of the improvement is a temporary windfall from other factors, including last year`s stock market gains.

Say_hello_for_me 07-12-2005 10:20 PM

Voodoo Economics
 
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Originally posted by sgtclub

However, some economists say at least part of the improvement is a temporary windfall from other factors, including last year`s stock market gains.
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I've been thinking for quite awhile that the G should have allowed people to write off much more of their losses resulting from the Clinton bubble. It would have resulted in a greater short-term deficit, but long term would have hastened the disappearance of annual reminders (tax preparation) of losses that people had sustained. I'd posit that this would have resulted in greater investment and greater taxable returns by now. Instead, we have people writing off 3k per year who are still licking their wounds. Never seen any research or position papers for this.

bilmore 07-13-2005 01:12 AM

Rare Honesty
 
From the interview:

AMC: That's true. I think...and this is a rare case for the Bush administration. The more detail you get into with this story, the more clear it becomes not only did Rove not break the law, that by Washington standards, he didn't really do anything wrong, either. But again, this is a situation where the headline may sway people. I don't know if it will or not. This is certainly an inside the Beltway story.

CB: Do you agree with Hugh that it doesn't relate at all then to people out in the Midwest, or people in California don't care that Karl Rove was part of this story, Ana Marie?

AMC: Well, I think that they could care. It's really...the Democrats, for once, have a story where they don't have to do the explaining, that it's actually the White House's duty to try and explain the situation in such a way that it doesn't make it look like Rove did something wrong. And it's true. I think it's pretty clear from the E-mail at least that he sent to Cooper, that he didn't break the law. But to be on the defensive, where you're explaining the difference between breaking the law and doing something wrong, is a situation that the Bush White House doesn't want to be in.

. . . .

AMC: I think again, I'm just going to repeat myself, that the nature of cable news is going to be what benefits the Democrats in this case, if they choose to make an issue out of it. Because I can just sit here and repeat Karl Rove identified and undercover CIA agent, and then it's up to Hugh and his compatriots to kind of explain why that's not such a wrong thing to do.

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http://www.radioblogger.com/#000822

(AMC is Wonkette. Her point is, this is a BS noisebomb, and it only has legs to the extent that people only see and remember the initial NYT headlines.)

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 01:43 AM

He'd like to buy the world a Coke...
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
FDR's lies promising to keep us out of the war probably did not help matters from a deterrence standpoint.
Not least because Hitler had already invaded Poland, at least vis-a-vis the "lies" we were discussing here most recently.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
FWIW, why is anyone publishing anything that this idiot thinks?
Oddly enough, I had this very thought before I read very much of your post.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Rove is not the administration.
This is the most absurd thing I have ever read on this board. Mazeltov.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Sympathy? I sympathize for London's non-Muslims who are clearly are now walking targets for the Islamists.
Do you think Allah somehow protected Muslims from the shrapnel? "Among the targets in the worst attack on London since World War II was the Edgware Road station, located in the heart of wealthy, assimilated Arab London." More.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 02:24 AM

I'll Make It Simple, Slave
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
The fact that you fail to acknowledge thereby disrespecting the Constitution and the democratic process (much like the Clintonistas) is that Bush's Iraq policy was affirmed by a public referendum last November. Just because you were on the losing side of that referendum is no reason to be ignorant of it.

Better luck next time, although I doubt we will see a Dem president in Coltrane's lifetime.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: How could my client have committed fraud if the plaintiff chose to purchase his products?

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is the most absurd thing I have ever read on this board. Mazeltov.
I'm skeptical, to say the least.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 02:33 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Rights carry responsbilities, why are the liberals so scared of the latter?
This is exacly my position re the Second Amendment, but when it comes time to show up early in the morning for the militia drills, none of the gunnies are willing to haul their asses out of bed.

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 02:37 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Some percentage of woman are anti-abortion.
Speaking of which, a sign in front of a church in the small town in the very red state in which I spent last weekend informed me that 26 babies die from abortions every ten minutes. Back of the envelope calculations I won't bother to repeat here lead me to conclude that 5% of the female population capable of childbearing has an abortion every year. Since, as Penske correctly notes, some percentage of woman are anti-abortion, and this percentage is somewhat less likely to have an abortion, that percentage must be even higher among the rest. Can this be right? Sounds high to me.

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 02:39 AM

I'll Make It Simple, Slave
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: How could my client have committed fraud if the plaintiff chose to purchase his products?
Nice try Ty, but I dissent. The questions of Bush's rationale for the War and the War itself, were put the voters. The issue of whether or not he lied was put to the voters. They ratified his policy choices. The War, based on the 5-6 rationales that Club noted, was approved.

Perhaps the Dems will get lucky and come up with a saleable bill of goods of their own. Some.time.in.the.next.century.

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 02:42 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is exacly my position re the Second Amendment, but when it comes time to show up early in the morning for the militia drills, none of the gunnies are willing to haul their asses out of bed.
We were up, drilled and were at the Dunkin Donuts by the time you got there.

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 02:45 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, a sign in front of a church in the small town in the very red state in which I spent last weekend informed me that 26 babies die from abortions every ten minutes. Back of the envelope calculations I won't bother to repeat here lead me to conclude that 5% of the female population capable of childbearing has an abortion every year. Since, as Penske correctly notes, some percentage of woman are anti-abortion, and this percentage is somewhat less likely to have an abortion, that percentage must be even higher among the rest. Can this be right? Sounds high to me.
You lost me on that one. Do you have a graph?

Tyrone Slothrop 07-13-2005 02:53 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You lost me on that one. Do you have a graph?
Post your fax number, and maybe I can fax you the envelope.

Or, work from 2.6 abortions/minute, and you get an annual number. Assume there are 250,000,000 people in America, and work from there to get a ballpark number of women of childbearing age. When I did it, the former number is about 5% of the latter number.

My sister, BTW, figured 5% seemed about right. Seems high to me. We generally agree about abortion rights, FWIW, although I see more virtues in gun ownership, NTTAWWT.

SlaveNoMore 07-13-2005 05:24 AM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Do you think Allah somehow protected Muslims from the shrapnel? "Among the targets in the worst attack on London since World War II was the Edgware Road station, located in the heart of wealthy, assimilated Arab London." More.
Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.

Let them speak up. And not just BS words, like RT chose to link to, Let's see true leaders speak AND act.

Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.

SlaveNoMore 07-13-2005 05:27 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Tyrone Slothrop
Speaking of which, a sign in front of a church in the small town in the very red state in which I spent last weekend informed me that 26 babies die from abortions every ten minutes. Back of the envelope calculations I won't bother to repeat here lead me to conclude that 5% of the female population capable of childbearing has an abortion every year..
NARAL actually counts that number a bit higher in their anti-Bush mailings. Although I'm not on the mailing list, I'm sure you are.

SlaveNoMore 07-13-2005 05:31 AM

I'll Make It Simple, Ty
 
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Tyrone Slothrop
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: How could my client have committed fraud if the plaintiff chose to purchase his products?

Wasn't this the Clinton defense?

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 11:27 AM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Post your fax number, and maybe I can fax you the envelope.
.
555-IAM-RIGHT.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


My sister, BTW, figured 5% seemed about right. Seems high to me. We generally agree about abortion rights, FWIW, although I see more virtues in gun ownership, NTTAWWT.
You and your sister generally agree or you and I generally agree?

Either way, the Second Amendment is certainly more virtuous. With the exercise of the Second Amendment the hidden right to abortion can always spring into life, npi.

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.
Bugs Bunny is a Muslim?!!?



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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.
I do not disagree.

taxwonk 07-13-2005 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You're referring, of course, to the Republicans' long history of filibustering judicial candidates?
They certainly found ways to block an awful lot of Clinton's candidates. It's really a problem that has existed for decades on both sides of the aisle.

I think the biggest part of the problem is a lack of integrity and spine in Congress. They ceased being a responsible legislative body long ago. As a result, too much of the business of making law has been left to the regulatory agencies and the courts. Of course, since nobody is happy with the results, the Congress, instead of taking action through legislation, spends its time in inquiries designed to smear the other party and looking for ways to ensure that judges with their philosophical bent get appointed.

The one thing I'm quite sure of is that the current situation in not what our founding fathers had in mind when they put in place a system of checks and balances.

taxwonk 07-13-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let them declare fatwas against those usurping the religion.

Let them denounce those preaching hare in the universities.

Let them speak up. And not just BS words, like RT chose to link to, Let's see true leaders speak AND act.

Surely, you don't disagree with these sentiments.
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?

Penske_Account 07-13-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?
The preaching "hare"? Depends, is it duck season or rabbit season?

Shape Shifter 07-13-2005 12:05 PM

I'll Make It Simple, Slave
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Nice try Ty, but I dissent. The questions of Bush's rationale for the War and the War itself, were put the voters. The issue of whether or not he lied was put to the voters. They ratified his policy choices. The War, based on the 5-6 rationales that Club noted, was approved.

Perhaps the Dems will get lucky and come up with a saleable bill of goods of their own. Some.time.in.the.next.century.
Where are the lies?

"Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Senate and the House of Representatives:

Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And, while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time the Japanese Government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian Islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday the Japanese Government also launched an attack against Malaya.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.
Last night Japanese forces attacked Guam.
Last night Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.
Last night the Japanese attacked Wake Island.
And this morning the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has therefore undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense, that always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people, in their righteous might, will win through to absolute victory.

I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph. So help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."

Franklin D. Roosevelt - December 8, 1941

bilmore 07-13-2005 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?
I doubt he meant "deserve" to die, but, practically speaking, their chance of dying will increase. How long before we start to see a mini civil war, aimed mostly at the local Islamic communities? In England, I'm guessing the answer is, soon. They've had way more than their share of stories and interviews in the last two days, with young londoner muslims expressing humor and - yeah - glee - at the bombings. I don't think the reasonable Islamic community can afford to stay on the sidelines much longer there.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-13-2005 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
And if they don't do as you command, they deserve to die?
He did not imply that Muslims who did not do what he said should die. He was merely listing the things they need to do.


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