Time to take a stand.
 

You would be living in an illiberal democracy. Oddly enough, when Slave hungers for "democracy," he longs for a liberal democracy. The terminology may be painful to consider, but there you are.

Time to take a stand.
 

i just can't spell long words

Time to take a stand.
 

water.

hint- "those same people" don't control the bomb right now.

Time to take a stand.
 

As long as I can call you an I-tal, you can call me a Paki.

Time to take a stand.
 

I shudder to think what might happen if control over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal were to fall out of the hands of reliable secular humanists like A.Q. Khan.

Time to take a stand.
 

What if the moment those elected in immediately decide to deny half the population - say all women - of not only the right to vote, but the ability to drive and to read.

It may still be a "democracy" - but it sure isnt what (I think) you deem a "Democracy"

Time to take a stand.
 

Actually, Slave hungers* for a "liberal Democracy" and not a "Liberal democracy"



*that, and an Egg McMuffin

"Paulmentum."
 

I don't like the way she campaigns. I haven't figured out yet whether this is a good indication of how she would govern.

Time to take a stand.
 

"Making the world safe for small "l" liberal democracy."

I dunno. I think it'll be a hard sell in the heartland.

Time to take a stand.
 

So the U.S. was not a democracy until 1920?

"Paulmentum."
 

I believe your people are lining up behind Ron Paul.

Time to take a stand.
 

Some blacks in the South would say not until the 60's.

"Paulmentum."
 

Who are my people?

Time to take a stand.
 

But no one else?

Time to take a stand.
 

I've never been a fan of the little opportunistic fuck. But right now, I'm finding that there are far more places that cry out for intervention than there are peole to intervene. It's all rather immobilizing, to be honest.

Time to take a stand.
 

This is a topic that is subject to a wide range of debate.

"Paulmentum."
 

Have you looked at the Presidents approval ratings recently. And by the way, Congressonal approval ratings have nothing to do with the presidential race. Low approval of a Democrat congress does not mena that will bleed over to the Dem candidate for President. Congress almost always has a low approval rating.

Unless the occupation takes a dramatic turn for the better, our candidate does not have a shot.

Time to take a stand.
 

No you are not. Democracies can vote themselves out of existence like the Germans did with the Nazis.

"Paulmentum."
 

"Paulmentum."
 

As the election approaches the head choppers will kick up in Iraq and Iran. They know a Dem president is the best bet for the jihadis, don't you remember Osama coming out and saying if Kerry wins thing will be better for us?

Based upon your prediction, and Ty's arguments that Bush has over ruled the constitution anyway, I today signed an email to the President for the proposition that I am a lawyer, and I want him to enact martial law rather than turn this country over to the appeasers.

god bless these untied states!

"Paulmentum."
 

You underestimate her. I'm confident she can live up to Bush II's standards, and then some (or less, depending on how you like to phrase it).

"Paulmentum."
 

This is great.

Godwin does not play dice with the universe.
 

JFC. You never seemed stupid before. Hypo: You're Joachim von Ribbentrop. It's May 7, 1940. Hitler asks you whom he should endorse in the Norway Debate. What do you tell him? My respect for you is riding on your answer.

"Paulmentum."
 

thanks. would you give atticus a quote for classes in how to read my posts?

"Paulmentum."
 

thanks. would you give atticus a quote for classes in how to read my posts?

"Paulmentum."
 

I know where you are going with this, but you're way wrong.

If anything, it's just further [sad] evidence of the accumulation of wealth by a bunch of moronic gamers with stock options.

The Crawford property sounds pretty cool.

Sounds like terrific design there on the Crawford ranch. Good for Bush.

For those of you who say that water-boarding isn't torture:

• As a former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California I know the waterboard personally and intimately. SERE staff were required undergo the waterboard at its fullest. I was no exception. I have personally led, witnessed and supervised waterboarding of hundreds of people. It has been reported that both the Army and Navy SERE school’s interrogation manuals were used to form the interrogation techniques used by the US army and the CIA for its terror suspects. What was not mentioned in most articles was that SERE was designed to show how an evil totalitarian, enemy would use torture at the slightest whim. If this is the case, then waterboarding is unquestionably being used as torture technique.
  
  The carnival-like he-said, she-said of the legality of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques has become a form of doublespeak worthy of Catch-22. Having been subjected to them all, I know these techniques, if in fact they are actually being used, are not dangerous when applied in training for short periods. However, when performed with even moderate intensity over an extended time on an unsuspecting prisoner – it is torture, without doubt. Couple that with waterboarding and the entire medley not only “shock the conscience” as the statute forbids -it would terrify you. Most people can not stand to watch a high intensity kinetic interrogation. One has to overcome basic human decency to endure watching or causing the effects. The brutality would force you into a personal moral dilemma between humanity and hatred. It would leave you to question the meaning of what it is to be an American.

via Volokh Conspirator Jonathan Adler

The Party of Lincoln? What does this say about Old Abe?
 

More sick and frustrated republicans.

What's with you guys?

The Party of Lincoln? What does this say about Old Abe?
 

Yes, I'm quite sure the fact that he was Republican in a useless local legislature (where probably everyone is a Republican, for that matter) had something to do with the fact the guy is a disgusting scumbag who should be waterboarded (Hi - Ty!!!)

I'm a Ford, not a Lincoln. And Ford has a better idea.
 

And yet anonymous dope-smoking hiptards posting on Kos and the DU somehow are the personification of the true platform of the Democratic Party. Got it.

(note -- I actually agree with your post; just pointing out that your goose could use a little gander sauce. Uh, you know what I mean.)

I'm a Ford, not a Lincoln. And Ford has a better idea.
 

Did you just advocate fowl bukkake?

The Internet is making us stupid
Legal sage Cass Sunstein says democracy is the first casualty of political discourse in the digital age.


http://letters.salon.com/news/featur...view/?show=all read this, and try to follow it's simple suggestions

sweet, sweet irony
 

The article about Sunstein's book is here. What you linked to is a bunch of Salon readers' comments on his article.

I'm a Ford, not a Lincoln. And Ford has a better idea.
 

The mind of a republican.

Look, I just report the news. I find it odd that all the sexual deviants who get elected seem to be bible-belt Republicans.

Has anyone else seen the move "The Naked Kiss"?

sweet, sweet irony
 

thank you. the link was in what i posted though. It is sort of the phenom I wrote about WRT reading, say lgf every day. I have broken away from the constraints. Anyone else?

Misinformation about purported chemical weapons links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda in Colin Powell's speech to the UN was obtained by tortured following rendition to Egypt:

• In a CIA sub-station close to al Libi's jail cell, the CIA's "debriefers," who had been talking to al Libi for days after his return from Cairo, were typing out a series of operational cables to be sent Feb. 4 and Feb. 5 to the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Va. In the view of some insiders, these cables provide the "smoking gun" on the whole rendition program -- a convincing account of how the rendition program was, they say, illegally sending prisoners into the hands of torturers.
  
  Under torture after his rendition to Egypt, al Libi had provided a confession of how Saddam Hussein had been training al Qaeda in chemical weapons. This evidence was used by Colin Powell at the United Nations a year earlier (February 2003) to justify the war in Iraq. ("I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these [chemical and biological] weapons to al Qaeda," Powell said. "Fortunately, this operative is now detained, and he has told his story.")
  
  But now, hearing how the information was obtained, the CIA was soon to retract all this intelligence. A Feb. 5 cable records that al Libi was told by a "foreign government service" (Egypt) that: "the next topic was al-Qa'ida's connections with Iraq...This was a subject about which he said he knew nothing and had difficulty even coming up with a story."
  
  Al Libi indicated that his interrogators did not like his responses and then "placed him in a small box approximately 50cm X 50cm [20 inches x 20 inches]." He claimed he was held in the box for approximately 17 hours. When he was let out of the box, al Libi claims that he was given a last opportunity to "tell the truth." When al Libi did not satisfy the interrogator, al Libi claimed that "he was knocked over with an arm thrust across his chest and he fell on his back." Al Libi told CIA debriefers that he then "was punched for 15 minutes." (Sourced to CIA cable, Feb. 5, 2004).
  
  Here was a cable then that informed Washington that one of the key pieces of evidence for the Iraq war -- the al Qaeda/Iraq link -- was not only false but extracted by effectively burying a prisoner alive.

ABC News. But we've got to keep torture legal in case we ever find someone who knows where there's a nuclear bomb about to go off in Manhattan!

sweet, sweet irony
 

I like this board because I know I will encounter people with whom I disagree.

eta: My web-browsing habits similarly include sites with a variety of views, particularly including people who do a good job of aggregating stories from a range of places, and generally not including sites like Kos or LGF with a partisan raison d'etre.