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Hank Chinaski 07-13-2005 04:42 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Does anyone else think W was avenging his dad's honour by taking out Saddam?

eta: merde! STP! STP!
Poll: what cup size put a woman over the top, STS, so you could ignore their politics and still date them?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-13-2005 04:43 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
As horrifying as this is, I agree with Sebby.
3. In the grand scheme of things, it all really doesn't mean shit. And it probably won't affect me in any way. Fuck details and give me a kayak, right Bilmore?

Poltics is the following:

(a) boring
(b) annoying as a bar conversation
(c) similar to sports, in which people just want a team to root for (except the fans are bigger dorks)

I like it best when Congress treads water. I prefer that over the whole "Heart of Darkness" aggregate power scenario (for either side). Our founding fathers were brilliant. They understood that normal people go apeshit when given too much control, so they basically ensured that it won't happen. Thus, not much really changes. Power sways back and forth, small changes to law are made, but our government basically just spins its wheels and makes a lot of noise. Kind of like a really loud fart that doesn't smell.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-13-2005 04:45 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by I Am A Sad Sock
What about international policy, then? If a woman voted for Bush because she felt the other candidate would not be as strong as would be needed to protect the country from more terror attacks, but she was far left on every social issue (abortion/free speech)? Same question, but the woman is an attractive nymphomaniac who has been in hibernation for some time and has just come out of said hibernation. And is hungry.
...till my crank was rubbed more ragged than a cat scratching post.

Your political thinking is actually similar to mine. I like Bush's Starving the Beast policies. I hate his Jesus Crazy policies. I like his strike AQ policy. I don't think he bombed the right country.

sebastian_dangerfield 07-13-2005 04:47 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Poll: what cup size put a woman over the top, STS, so you could ignore their politics and still date them?
Perfect face, perfect ass and no Jesus Talk is all I need. Tits are great, but optional.

robustpuppy 07-13-2005 04:47 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Poll: what cup size put a woman over the top, STS, so you could ignore their politics and still date them?
More importantly, what quality would put a guy over the top so that you could ignore his quoting Sting lyrics and still date him?

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-13-2005 04:48 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
What I think you are implicitly saying on the federal funding side and the education is that poor, uneducated people have more abortions, which is absolutely untrue. My guess is that the rate for middle class educated women is at least as high if not higher.
Actually, you're wrong.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-13-2005 04:48 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Perfect face, perfect ass and no Jesus Talk is all I need. Tits are great, but optional.
Tits are gravy. And can be bought, if one so desires.

robustpuppy 07-13-2005 04:48 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Would you have sex with one though? What if this theoretical Bush-voter (a) was hot (b) would not dream of touching your head mid-blow job and (c) presented you with a solid gold waterproof vibrator the next day after a long steamy night before he went back home to Republicanville?
Where's Fringey?

sebastian_dangerfield 07-13-2005 04:50 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
More importantly, what quality would put a guy over the top so that you could ignore his quoting Sting lyrics and still date him?
Oh Lord. You have my condolences.

Replaced_Texan 07-13-2005 04:50 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Would you have sex with one though? What if this theoretical Bush-voter (a) was hot (b) would not dream of touching your head mid-blow job and (c) presented you with a solid gold waterproof vibrator the next day after a long steamy night before he went back home to Republicanville?
Maybe. He'd have to be really hot and really, really quiet though,.

Hank Chinaski 07-13-2005 04:50 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
More importantly, what quality would put a guy over the top so that you could ignore his quoting Sting lyrics and still date him?
Most women really respect a man who is super intelligent. That's why coltrane gets so much attention.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-13-2005 04:52 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Most women really respect a man who is super intelligent. That's why coltrane gets so much attention.
I prefer uber intelligent. With an umlaut.

notcasesensitive 07-13-2005 04:53 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
3. In the grand scheme of things, it all really doesn't mean shit. And it probably won't affect me in any way. Fuck details and give me a kayak, right Bilmore?

Poltics is the following:

(a) boring
(b) annoying as a bar conversation
(c) similar to sports, in which people just want a team to root for (except the fans are bigger dorks)

I like it best when Congress treads water. I prefer that over the whole "Heart of Darkness" aggregate power scenario (for either side). Our founding fathers were brilliant. They understood that normal people go apeshit when given too much control, so they basically ensured that it won't happen. Thus, not much really changes. Power sways back and forth, small changes to law are made, but our government basically just spins its wheels and makes a lot of noise. Kind of like a really loud fart that doesn't smell.
You are Mr Man.

I'd have to add (d) however:

(d) annoying as bulletin board posting material because no one is ever going to persuade someone anonymously to change their political stance

What happened to Ty? Did he read a Slave post and have his head explode or has he replaced us with his blogger friends?

sgtclub 07-13-2005 04:55 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yeh, well that ain't gonna happen. And asking for an idealistic fix like that is causing god knows how many unintended and unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Yours is a wonderful notion, but we don't live in an ideal world.

And you can't say with a straight face that giving free birth control to people and REALLY educating kids about sex wouldn't preclude many unwanted pregnancies. Why? Because we've never tried it! We;ve never honestly discussed sex with kids because every time we try, some douchebag politician from 1000 miles away with a constituancy of inbred bible thumpers throws a hissy fit and scuttles the legislation.

Teaching abstinence is great, but only teaching abstinence is criminally negligent.
I'm not talking about teaching abstinence. I'm talking about real, honest to god sex education. We were required to take a full semester of it. Abstinence was not even mentioned.

robustpuppy 07-13-2005 04:55 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oh Lord. You have my condolences.
No, no, you misunderstand. That was the Rep nympho chick sock's Dumping Dem.

sgtclub 07-13-2005 04:56 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
While it severely limits my dating pool here in Houston, I don't think I'd date anyone who voted for Bush in 2004.
Damn!

I Am A Sad Sock 07-13-2005 04:56 PM

Final Thought
 
It just sucks because although he is an odd looking kind of guy, he grew on me and I ended up feeling hot for him and he also did nice things. I'm wondering if I should let him cool down for a while more and then call him and say "come on; don't be silly". The only thing that stops me is looking back at some of his emails (like the one below -- note that his job is in management/tech, not art) and then I think, "Maybe you should leave this thing alone". Well anyway, thanks for the thoughts and humor. For some reason, this one really shook me up and saddened me. I hate to say it, but I miss him (though not the wingnut stuff).

Quote:

You soon may see that my brain is overloaded in the right hemisphere, and is somewhat hurting on the left side! I am better at conceptual thinking than I am at logical. I can take apart poetry but I'm not good at 2 plus 2. My head is partly "always" in the clouds and I think I carry that "artists brain" thing--not the "self-destructive crazy artist thing", but one who needs to make sure that at least one foot is firmly on the ground at all times. (I have a wickedly interesting story about my arrival home from 2 months in Tibet, my last excursion to Asia. I'm very sure the universe gave me my lesson of a lifetime and it was not from who I expected it would be from.) I'm not sure if it's the type of places and lands I've visited, or the things I'm interested in reading, but I remain very captured by our lives relative to why we're here, and what our purpose is. When I see things, I tend to see them in a bigger picture....not just the literal, but the metaphorical. I'm a big believer in the idea that things happen for reasons, and I rarely think things are so random and coincidental (Carl Young's synchronicity--and hey, a great Police Pop CD--- Synchronicity, remember it from the 80's?) "we are, we are, spirits in the material world" I think my more recent aloofness was in part hesitation because in many aspects we are very different and I was not sure where to go, but I also think in the most important aspects, we are similar. (I love that you are a do-er and an action person----you are much more accomplished in this area than I). I suspect you are more pragmatic and practical--which is very positive. Ok, enough for now. Please, email is not your medium, so don't worry about replying to so many thoughts. Just store them away so we can talk about them sometime. We'll, back to work. First a quote from a performance artist Laurie Anderson..... "There is another world, spinning, inside of this one."

sebastian_dangerfield 07-13-2005 04:57 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
No, no, you misunderstand. That was the Rep nympho chick sock's Dumping Dem.
God, how did she ever even consider fucking that douchebag? The guy shook when he kissed, quoted Sting and beleived Michale Moore movies were totally accurate? She must've been desperate... just out of ten years in bull dyke women's prison desperate.

Gattigap 07-13-2005 04:58 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Damn!
Don't give up. You could still rely on your body of existing work expressing disillusionment with the Republican establishment, and considering Independenthood. America loves a reformed sinner!

Hank Chinaski 07-13-2005 04:59 PM

a thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I prefer uber intelligent. With an umlaut.
This went right over my head:( :confused:

Hank Chinaski 07-13-2005 05:01 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by I Am A Sad Sock
It just sucks because although he is an odd looking kind of guy, he grew on me and I ended up feeling hot for him and he also did nice things. I'm wondering if I should let him cool down for a while more and then call him and say "come on; don't be silly". The only thing that stops me is looking back at some of his emails (like the one below -- note that his job is in management/tech, not art) and then I think, "Maybe you should leave this thing alone". Well anyway, thanks for the thoughts and humor. For some reason, this one really shook me up and saddened me. I hate to say it, but I miss him (though not the wingnut stuff).
That sheds more light. i apologize- it wasn't breast size. You didn't give him oral much- right?

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:02 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Actually, you're wrong.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602
I didn't read the entire thing, but are you pointing to this:
  • In 2000, 21 out of every 1,000 women of reproductive age had an abortion. Women who are aged 18-29, unmarried, black or Hispanic, or economically disadvantaged—including those on Medicaid—have higher abortion rates. The overall abortion rate decreased by 11% between 1994 and 2000. The decline was greatest for 15-17-year-olds, women in the highest income category, those with college degrees and those with no religious affiliation. Abortion rates for women with incomes below 200% of poverty and for women with Medicaid coverage increased between 1994 and 2000. The rate of decline in abortion among black and Hispanic adolescents was lower than that among white adolescents, and the abortion rate among poor teenagers increased substantially.

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:05 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by I Am A Sad Sock
It just sucks because although he is an odd looking kind of guy, he grew on me and I ended up feeling hot for him and he also did nice things. I'm wondering if I should let him cool down for a while more and then call him and say "come on; don't be silly". The only thing that stops me is looking back at some of his emails (like the one below -- note that his job is in management/tech, not art) and then I think, "Maybe you should leave this thing alone". Well anyway, thanks for the thoughts and humor. For some reason, this one really shook me up and saddened me. I hate to say it, but I miss him (though not the wingnut stuff).
Back away. This guy is a complete freak. You'll be happy you did.

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:06 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Gattigap
Don't give up. You could still rely on your body of existing work expressing disillusionment with the Republican establishment, and considering Independenthood. America loves a reformed sinner!
Can you put in a good word for me?

robustpuppy 07-13-2005 05:06 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by I Am A Sad Sock
It just sucks because although he is an odd looking kind of guy, he grew on me and I ended up feeling hot for him and he also did nice things. I'm wondering if I should let him cool down for a while more and then call him and say "come on; don't be silly". The only thing that stops me is looking back at some of his emails (like the one below -- note that his job is in management/tech, not art) and then I think, "Maybe you should leave this thing alone". Well anyway, thanks for the thoughts and humor. For some reason, this one really shook me up and saddened me. I hate to say it, but I miss him (though not the wingnut stuff).
I know email doesn't give a full picture of a person, but blah blahdey blah blah blah blahdey blah, what a fucking narcicisst. You're probably saddened by the fact that someone so unworthy dumped you first over something so wacky. Don't feel bad, that happened to me once, by this dorky guy with enormous ears. I still get the shivers thinking about it.

P.S. It's not twue what they say about men with big ears.

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-13-2005 05:10 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I didn't read the entire thing, but are you pointing to this:
Actually, this:
  • Poverty. Women with incomes below 200% of poverty made up 30% of all women of reproductive age, but accounted for 57% of all women having abortions in 2000: Twenty-seven percent of abortions were obtained by women living below the poverty line, and another 31% by women with incomes of 100-199% of poverty. The concentration of economically disadvantaged women among those having abortions was greater in 2000 than in 1994, when 50% of women obtaining abortions had incomes of less than 200% of poverty.

    Abortion rates decreased as income rose, from 44 per 1,000 among poor women to 10 per 1,000 among the highest-income women. In 1994 as well, women with incomes below 200% of poverty had higher abortion rates than higher-income women. However, between 1994 and 2000, rates decreased among middle- and higher-income women, whereas they increased among poor and low-income women.

    The high abortion rates among economically disadvantaged women were partly due to high pregnancy rates—133 per 1,000 for poor women and 115 per 1,000 for low-income women. As income increased, pregnancy rates declined, and women with the highest incomes had a pregnancy rate of 66 per 1,000. These women were the least likely to abort their pregnancies (15%), and poor and low-income women were the most likely to do so (33%).
And this:
  • Education. Among women aged 20 or older, those who had not graduated from high school accounted for 13% of abortions (Table 1). High school graduates made up 30% of women having an abortion, and those with at least some college, 57%.

    The abortion rate among college graduates (13 per 1,000) was lower than average; moreover, women with college degrees were the only educational group to show a higher-than-average decline in abortion rates (30%) between 1994 and 2000. The relatively small proportion of pregnancies among college graduates that ended in abortion (21%) and the below-average pregnancy rate account for their low abortion rate. Women with some college had a pregnancy rate that was lower than average, but 38% of their pregnancies ended in abortion in 2000, resulting in the highest abortion rate of any educational group (26 per 1,000).

    We also examined abortion rates by school enrollment status among women younger than 20 (not shown). Nearly two-thirds of adolescents who had an abortion were enrolled in school during the month they became pregnant. Enrollees had a lower abortion rate than adolescents who were not in school (19 vs. 65 per 1,000). The abortion rate for adolescents enrolled in school decreased by 29% between 1994 and 2000, and the rate for their out-of-school peers declined by 13%.

notcasesensitive 07-13-2005 05:13 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
I know email doesn't give a full picture of a person, but blah blahdey blah blah blah blahdey blah, what a fucking narcicisst. You're probably saddened by the fact that someone so unworthy dumped you first over something so wacky. Don't feel bad, that happened to me once, by this dorky guy with enormous ears. I still get the shivers thinking about it.

P.S. It's not twue what they say about men with big ears.
He's a wordier, democrat-affiliated Spanky. What's not to love?

robustpuppy 07-13-2005 05:15 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
He's a wordier, democrat-affiliated Spanky. What's not to love?
I see him more as a succinct, artsy, non-materialistic mmmmmmmbop.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-13-2005 05:16 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive


(d) annoying as bulletin board posting material because no one is ever going to persuade someone anonymously to change their political stance

Before you posted this, I would have disagreed. However, I think I'm now with you on this.

Shape Shifter 07-13-2005 05:18 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by I Am A Sad Sock
It just sucks because although he is an odd looking kind of guy, he grew on me and I ended up feeling hot for him and he also did nice things. I'm wondering if I should let him cool down for a while more and then call him and say "come on; don't be silly". The only thing that stops me is looking back at some of his emails (like the one below -- note that his job is in management/tech, not art) and then I think, "Maybe you should leave this thing alone". Well anyway, thanks for the thoughts and humor. For some reason, this one really shook me up and saddened me. I hate to say it, but I miss him (though not the wingnut stuff).
I'm sorry things with you and Not Bob didn't work out. But don't you think it's a little early for you to start socking?

Replaced_Texan 07-13-2005 05:21 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Before you posted this, I would have disagreed. However, I think I'm now with you on this.
Promises of sex if they swich sides doesn't seem to work. I think you're both probably right.

nononono 07-13-2005 05:24 PM

Final Thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'm sorry things with you and Not Bob didn't work out. But don't you think it's a little early for you to start socking?
Oh, rude! And me in my misery.

Shape Shifter 07-13-2005 05:26 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not talking about teaching abstinence. I'm talking about real, honest to god sex education. We were required to take a full semester of it. Abstinence was not even mentioned.
And I'll bet that you've never had an abortion. It must have worked.

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:26 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Actually, this:
  • Poverty. Women with incomes below 200% of poverty made up 30% of all women of reproductive age, but accounted for 57% of all women having abortions in 2000: Twenty-seven percent of abortions were obtained by women living below the poverty line, and another 31% by women with incomes of 100-199% of poverty. The concentration of economically disadvantaged women among those having abortions was greater in 2000 than in 1994, when 50% of women obtaining abortions had incomes of less than 200% of poverty.

    Abortion rates decreased as income rose, from 44 per 1,000 among poor women to 10 per 1,000 among the highest-income women. In 1994 as well, women with incomes below 200% of poverty had higher abortion rates than higher-income women. However, between 1994 and 2000, rates decreased among middle- and higher-income women, whereas they increased among poor and low-income women.

    The high abortion rates among economically disadvantaged women were partly due to high pregnancy rates—133 per 1,000 for poor women and 115 per 1,000 for low-income women. As income increased, pregnancy rates declined, and women with the highest incomes had a pregnancy rate of 66 per 1,000. These women were the least likely to abort their pregnancies (15%), and poor and low-income women were the most likely to do so (33%).
And this:
  • Education. Among women aged 20 or older, those who had not graduated from high school accounted for 13% of abortions (Table 1). High school graduates made up 30% of women having an abortion, and those with at least some college, 57%.

    The abortion rate among college graduates (13 per 1,000) was lower than average; moreover, women with college degrees were the only educational group to show a higher-than-average decline in abortion rates (30%) between 1994 and 2000. The relatively small proportion of pregnancies among college graduates that ended in abortion (21%) and the below-average pregnancy rate account for their low abortion rate. Women with some college had a pregnancy rate that was lower than average, but 38% of their pregnancies ended in abortion in 2000, resulting in the highest abortion rate of any educational group (26 per 1,000).

    We also examined abortion rates by school enrollment status among women younger than 20 (not shown). Nearly two-thirds of adolescents who had an abortion were enrolled in school during the month they became pregnant. Enrollees had a lower abortion rate than adolescents who were not in school (19 vs. 65 per 1,000). The abortion rate for adolescents enrolled in school decreased by 29% between 1994 and 2000, and the rate for their out-of-school peers declined by 13%.

Looks like I was wrong on the wealth side and arguably right on the education side. So I stand partially corrected. However, it still doesn't change my view that governmentally funded birth control and education would have a material effect on these results.

notcasesensitive 07-13-2005 05:28 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Looks like I was wrong on the wealth side and arguably right on the education side. So I stand partially corrected. However, it still doesn't change my view that governmentally funded birth control and education would have a material effect on these results.
aren't you missing a "not" in there somewhere? or I've misunderstood your stance.

bilmore 07-13-2005 05:28 PM

Dumped By a Dem
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Power sways back and forth, small changes to law are made, but our government basically just spins its wheels and makes a lot of noise. Kind of like a really loud fart that doesn't smell.
There are a couple of million people across the water who can now vote. There are three plastic shredder manufacturers who have gone out of business. We're keeping a significant number of Africans alive who otherwise wouldn't be. All in all, it's an impressive fart.

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:28 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
And I'll bet that you've never had an abortion. It must have worked.
I would guess that the women in my group had more abortions than the average. Or maybe I just hung out with sluts.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-13-2005 05:28 PM

Rehnquist
 
So, NFH didn't tip us off to his hospitalization.

Here's the question:

Rehnquist
a) Resigns first
b) Dies first.


I'm taking b.

Bad_Rich_Chic 07-13-2005 05:28 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sgtclub
Looks like I was wrong on the wealth side and arguably right on the education side. So I stand partially corrected. However, it still doesn't change my view that governmentally funded birth control and education would have a material effect on these results.
Or arguably wrong on the education side - the data are, at best, neutral.

You were talking about G funded birth control and sex education, right?

sgtclub 07-13-2005 05:29 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
aren't you missing a "not" in there somewhere? or I've misunderstood your stance.
yes. my bad.


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