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Do you think it's working?

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Forgive me for responding to a gross generalization.



Why not? What is wrong with pointing out that someone is part of the problem when they claim not to be?

And you were certainly suggesting that moderate muslims lack the power to speak out. If you believe that -- then why? Why would moderates in the US be unable to condemn, unequivocally, acts of terror? Why would they not be able to say, for example, that the Koran forbids the killing of innocents and those who launch rockets into villages will burn in hell? If it's a lack of power -- hoo-boy, that just means that such views are so unpopular among muslims, even in the US, that even leaders are afraid to speak them.

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Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm, I guess in the way that I am kinder, gentler and more well behavourised these days, I will respond that while as a patriot of the right, I, obviously, love America and don't hate anything, because hate is a hateful state to be in, I sometimes hate the crap you (sometimes) post, especially siting spurious blogs as evidence of anything except the cautionary shortcomings and dangers of the interwebberian information systems of our current age.

But I love you like the batshit-insane winger brother I never had, or even better like a too soft, too heavy, buttered up, too alcoholic and seriously over-oaked California Chardonnay that all of the critics lambaste, but which I still have a soft spot for.....ABC be damned, I give you 97 points!!

ps: I hope everything is okay; are you eating..................

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Britain's case is different than ours. They may have avoided them if they didn't back the U.S. in Iraq and elsewhere. But you are probably right that they probably can't put the cat back in the bag.

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As an intellectual exercise, it's boring, in the same way that pointing out hypocrisy on the other side is boring. As an exercise in changing the world, I don't think it changes anyone's behavior. And often it's an attempt to score cheap political points, a sort of pose rather than an attempt to accomplish anything. E.g., Penske baiting me when he asked why I wouldn't condemn Yassir Arafat's terrorism.

I didn't mean to suggest that moderates lack the power to speak out. I can imagine a whole range of reasons for their silence. E.g., a desire to keep a low profile when terrorism is the hot topic.

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It's possiible I might be thinking of Burger.

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I agree with this.

(Come back, RT!)

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Not yet, but I think it's extremely early in the process. It will take a generation to change the thought of a large part of the muslim world that has been brainwashed.

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I see that as a major part of the problem also.

We focus our middle east policy on trying to get these countrys to adopt policies that lead to economic growth - which, by the way, should always be the focus of our foreign policy.

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Yes - I myself am a big advocate of making sure that in places like Lebanon, which have a history of Democracy and have developed a substantial middle class educated in a Western style, don't get turned over to the fundamentalist Islamic hotheads. It's very hard to develop such traditions, and, I think, even harder once they are destroyed and replaced.

So, to paraphrase an American politician, are the Lebanese better off today than they were four months ago?

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this is a very Orwellian thought in the Keep The Aspidistra Flying mould.

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Oil has totally screwed up our relationship with Saudi Arabia (you are all muttering to yourselves - tell us something we don't know). Many of you think oil caused us to screw up in Iraq. While oil may have been a large part of the motivation to go in there, I still don't think it was a screw up. I think oil helped pressure us into doing the right thing in Iraq (Sidd, try not to puke when you read that) - but I digress.

We should put pressure on Saudi Arabia for all sorts of reasons (their schools of hate all over the middle east, their total internal economic incompetance, total lack of civil rights, beheading princesses who try and escaped arranged marriages etc.) but we can't pressure them because they are our crack dealer - which really sucks. But besides trying to get our dependence off of foreign oil, I don't know what we can do about it.

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No but what the hell else was Israel supposed to do?

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It's a long term/short term benefit analysis.

Long term, the only way to rid Southern Lebanon of Hezbollah is to have a Lebanese government strong enough to do it (and Syria sidelined enough so they can't prevent it). Hezbollah knows that, so they needed some help from the Israellis to destabilize Lebanon. They got it.

And Israel got to know that they'd fought back, at the cost, of course, of casualties on their side as well as Hezbollah's. But, Hezbollah is the big winner and Lebanon the big loser.

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Then don't get into the discussion. I believe that the failure of Muslim leaders to speak forcefully to their constituents and say "this is wrong." (note the period) is an enormous part of the problem.

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Early, schmerly. We were going to be out of there in six weeks, remember?

Seriously, though -- it's been three years. Do you think that the invasion and occupation of Iraq is really helping change views of the US in the muslim world? (Favorably?)

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Why? It's not like Eric Rudolph would act differently if the Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire condemned anti-abortion violence more vigorously.

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When the speaker says the British government "must not ignore the role foreign policy plays...", does this really have any substantial meaning to you, Ty? Do you really think he means terror attacks will stop as long as the Brits stand up and say "hey, we acknowledge the fact that the terrorists are pissed b/c we're in Iraq and that's why maybe the terrorists are slaughtering innocents." I think the statement says loud and clear that, to stop the terror attacks, the British government needs to conduct its foreign policy in a way Muslims want -- get out of Iraq. So let's not pussyfoot around here.

And it's really shocking that you take the 24% statistic so lightly. Add to that the percentage (17%) of people who answered "I don't know" when asked if terrorism is sometimes justified -- 17% of Muslims can't fucking admit that blowing up a plane of civilians is never justified? That's 41% of British Muslims who aren't condemning terror. Pretty scary statistic. So your public speaker has much to say about how the Brits should "combat terror" but it's getting pretty close to half of the speaker's community that won't even say terrorism is wrong.

Last year, the surveys showed 1/3 of British Muslims believe Western society is "decadent" and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it. I sure haven't seen any peaceful efforts by Muslims to encourage changes to our "immoral" behaviour. I think we all know what "seek to end it" means.

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And you believe the Lebanese goverment wants Hezbollah completely out of Lebanon?

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Slave = Are you kidding?

If Hezobollah, Hamas and the PLO unilaterally disarmed, there would be peace in the Middle East.

If Israel unilaterally disarmed, they would be attacked from all sides and be driven into the Sea.

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i.e., we need to start fearing and profiling folks from Berkeley.

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I dont recall the exact numbers, but isnt the latest Lebanese government filled with Hezbollah members - like 25%- 30%?

Damn, you and I agree on something. Sign number 3 of the apocalypse.

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The capitulation to and appeasement of their population is also getting to absurd proportions.

We had the cartoon frenzy a while back. Now this whopper:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...passport14.jpg

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Fewer people might support, emulate, or defend him.

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Hezbollah has 14 of the 128 seats in Parliament, and 3 of the 5 Shi'ite Ministry seats. The Parliament is split equally between Christians and Muslims under the constitution. Right now, Hezbollah likely has much more support than their seats represent; ultimately, Hezbollah would almost certainly like to destabilize the system and provide for majority Islamic representation in Lebanon.

Let's try for one more: one of Israel's most important protections comes from its aura of invincibility. After this invasion, that aura is badly damaged. Israel shouldn't risk it over anything but major fights.

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No. But I do think that the only chance we have is to establish a political and social atmospher where free exchange of ideas (including Western ideas) is allowed to flourish peaceably, and as I said to Wonk, the only way I can see that happening is if we are on the ground.

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I'm curious how many Lebanese would willingly concede the southern portion of the country controlled by Hezbollah to Hezbollah, effectively making them a nation state repsonsible for their own actions and no longer "shielded" by acting within the confines of another country.

2 for 2. We're rolling.

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from Peter Brookes:

If there is a clear winner in this war, it’s Iran. Regrettably, the “Mullahs of Mayhem” came out of the conflict with nary a scratch — politically, economically, or militarily. While Tehran lost no soldiers, and suffered no attacks on its territory, it was able to:

a) Divert a great deal of world attention from its nuclear (weapons) program, and its support for anti-American Shia militias in Iraq;

b) Strike out at its arch-enemy Israel using its terrorist toady, Hezbollah;

c) Severely damage public opinion about the U.S. in the Muslim world;

d) Put a deep freeze on the Middle East peace process;

e) Push global oil prices even higher, filling its national coffers for advancing its nuclear program, its conventional military, and its support of Hamas and Hezbollah;

f) Catapult itself to a position of leadership in the Muslim world through its support of Hezbollah;

g) And, lastly, remind the region — and the world — that it is capable of creating even more instability if anyone tries to get in the way of its plans for hegemony in the Middle East.

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3 for 3 - End Times are near.

Remind me again what you think Bush is doing right on this watch?

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STP, which is to say: no.

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Not raising my taxes and ....um, what was the question again?

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I agree AND so is pretending that the likes of Yasser Arafat are statesmen and/or according them the diplomatic regonition of such.

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France IS an islamic country, no?

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Dude that is a huge one. I honestly think we can outlast these guys for another 50 years before we end up Islamisised like Weurope will be in 2020. I want as much of my income as possible during that period.

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Sure. Remember also, from the government borrowing, the prime rate will be around 134% by then. Invest in good flight capital.

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guys like Ty have had some personal brush with terrorism yet still are brave enough to think we should not do much but hope- why are you such a coward?

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My cash is all in Yuan. I may dislike the Clintons, but it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowin.