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sebastian_dangerfield 02-15-2006 02:16 PM

"Fair and Balanced"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I don't see it as a cover-up -- it's a fuck-up. They should have done a press release quickly, and had Cheney give a short statement saying how concerned he is about his friend's health. Both should have mentioned that they wants to respect the family's privacy as much as possible. The whole story would be dead, with the whole heart attack demoted to a short little blurb.

It's not rocket science. Where the hell is Rove?
I agree. They fucked this up. But then they fuck everything up.

But its only a fuck up when viewed in terms of what an admin which gives a damn about the Beltway and the Press should do.

The Beltway and Press don't loathe this Admin because they're left-leaners who hate Bush's policies. They hate this Admin because it refuses to play their game. It doesn't kiss the Press' ass or follow the Policy Wonks' and Beltway Professionals' book of "how to do things." The Beltway is incestuous and protective - they don't like this disrespect in their own backyard. The Press also wants to be considered important enough to get a briefing on these types of things. Cheney's tell them all to go fuck themselves. In that regard, I kind of like him. I don't agree with his politics, but I respect anyone who tells a bloated pack of haughty assholes protecting their wasteful system and egos to go fuck themselves.

We ought to fire most of DC, so Cheney's attitude, IMO, is a good start. If nothing else, he's proven to future leaders that you can step all over the established bureaucrats and get away with it (well, if you're not running for anything next election, that is...).

LessinSF 02-15-2006 02:17 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't see any reason for you to call Christians "crazy," and I think you should cut it out. As a Christian, I think this borders on the offensive.
Sorry to be late to respond but ...

By definition, Christians are crazy. They believe in something without evidence. And, they wallow in it. "Faith" means "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith . That is essentially the same as "crazy" - "marked by foolish or unreasoning fondness." Id. If it were not for the amount of Christians, i.e. if there was only one of the stupid fuckers, s/he would be committed.

ltl/fb 02-15-2006 02:23 PM

"Fair and Balanced"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
But its only a fuck up when viewed in terms of what an admin which gives a damn about the Beltway and the Press should do.

The Beltway and Press don't loathe this Admin because they're left-leaners who hate Bush's policies. They hate this Admin because it refuses to play their game.
You are 180 off on this. This Admin seems to expend a ton of effort on figuring out what message the media gets and then being consistent with it. Managing communication, at least in the 1st term, was a huge huge thing for them, which is why no statement -- including no vanilla boring cliched statement of concern for his buddy from Cheney -- seems even more like a misstep to me.

But unlike much of the press, I don't think it's really a cover-up or anything -- I just think it's a communications fuck-up.

What the hell does Cheney do, anyway? It seems like VPs are exactly the people to come up with canned statements of sympathy for families and shit like that.

LessinSF 02-15-2006 02:25 PM

Mnnnn, Danish
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Jesus, man, is daytime cable that bad?

PS: I find your wish to see mankind driven to the brink of obliteration and forced to live in a Mad Maxian post-apocalyptic netherworld to assuage your boredom interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Better now than tomorrow, or next year, or the next. Technology only advances. We currently have and advantage. Tomorrow, we may not.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-15-2006 02:26 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Sorry to be late to respond but ...

By definition, Christians are crazy. They believe in something without evidence. And, they wallow in it. "Faith" means "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith . That is the same as "crazy" - "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." Id. If it were not for the amount of Christians, i.e. if there were only one, they would be committed.
Again, I need to subscribe to your newsletter.

I believe in a "God" on the rational basis that some creating energy had to start everything (If there's a flaw in that thinking, I'm comforted to know its a flaw in my rational thought, rather than me deluding myself with some religious voodoo stories).

I also believe there is no bigger waste of time - or absurd endeavor - than organized religion. Its the root cause of just about every rotten thing in society today. By definition its destructive - it asks a person to throw ssense to the wind and elevate the fantastic over the concrete. What good could come of that jackassery?

Mencken was right about religion 60 years ago. Grow up, you chickenshits, and deal with your mortality already...

sebastian_dangerfield 02-15-2006 02:28 PM

Mnnnn, Danish
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Better now than tomorrow, or next year, or the next. Technology only advances. We currently have and advantage. Tomorrow, we may not.
I'm ready for it. I got loads of stockpiled Tang.

Both kinds.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-15-2006 02:31 PM

"Fair and Balanced"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You are 180 off on this. This Admin seems to expend a ton of effort on figuring out what message the media gets and then being consistent with it. Managing communication, at least in the 1st term, was a huge huge thing for them, which is why no statement -- including no vanilla boring cliched statement of concern for his buddy from Cheney -- seems even more like a misstep to me.

But unlike much of the press, I don't think it's really a cover-up or anything -- I just think it's a communications fuck-up.

What the hell does Cheney do, anyway? It seems like VPs are exactly the people to come up with canned statements of sympathy for families and shit like that.
I hear you, but I’m not sure they give a damn as much anymore. I think they’re in “fuck it, they hate us anyway, so lets do as we like” land now.

ltl/fb 02-15-2006 02:40 PM

"Fair and Balanced"
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I hear you, but I’m not sure they give a damn as much anymore. I think they’re in “fuck it, they hate us anyway, so lets do as we like” land now.
Meeeeeh, not sure I'm with you on that, but I do think (and suspect you agree) that the media is fucking up by giving it this much coverage. It's just annoying and boring, and I want real news. It's not like the injured guy is a public figure.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-15-2006 03:05 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Sorry to be late to respond but ...

By definition, Christians are crazy. They believe in something without evidence. And, they wallow in it. "Faith" means "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith . That is essentially the same as "crazy" - "marked by foolish or unreasoning fondness." Id. If it were not for the amount of Christians, i.e. if there was only one of the stupid fuckers, s/he would be committed.
"Foolish or unreasoning fondness"? Is that an English-language dictionary?

Replaced_Texan 02-15-2006 03:28 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?

Hank Chinaski 02-15-2006 03:30 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?
neither. you get a rep as the kind of guy who will put a cap in some other guy's ass, you can pull off pink.

Sidd Finch 02-15-2006 03:50 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?
Neither. Couldn't get the blood completely out of his white hunting tie.

taxwonk 02-15-2006 03:52 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?
Pink is the new yellow.

ltl/fb 02-15-2006 03:56 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?
Every time I hear the phrase "softer side" that old line from Sears runs through my head -- "Come see the softer side of Sears."

purely on the surface, Cheney looks Sears-y to me. Nondescript and old-fashioned.

Raggedy Ann Coulter 02-15-2006 03:58 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg....oyMpWQtiWCNA--

Pink tie.

Too pussyish or shows a softer side of the man who shot his friend?
Lesbian daughter

Tyrone Slothrop 02-15-2006 04:08 PM

Spin control -- what comes after Brit Hume.
 
http://cracked.com/comics/dick_cheney/Panel-5.jpg

http://cracked.com/comics/dick_cheney/Panel-6.jpg



linky

Sidd Finch 02-15-2006 04:16 PM

Spin control -- what comes after Brit Hume.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Bad cartoons.

Ty is channeling Penske, apparently.

Spanky 02-15-2006 04:23 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"Foolish or unreasoning fondness"? Is that an English-language dictionary?
If you think what Sebby said was "on the border of being offensive", then you must think what Less said most certainly crossed the border. Aren't you going to ask Less "to cut it out"?

On the other hand, isn't asking someone to stop saying something because it is offensive a little absurd on an anonymous political discussion board?

Spanky 02-15-2006 04:27 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Raggedy Ann Coulter
Lesbian daughter
Wouldn't the Lesbian daughter recommend he skip the shole suit and wear a lumberjack shirt?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-15-2006 04:34 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
If you think what Sebby said was "on the border of being offensive", then you must think what Less said most certainly crossed the border. Aren't you going to ask Less "to cut it out"?

On the other hand, isn't asking someone to stop saying something because it is offensive a little absurd on an anonymous political discussion board?
Since Sebby posts with a certain flair for hyperbole and rhetorical excess, I think it's only proper to respond to him in the same vein.

Raggedy Ann Coulter 02-15-2006 05:25 PM

This is probably for the FB, but whatever
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Wouldn't the Lesbian daughter recommend he skip the shole suit and wear a lumberjack shirt?
Lamar Alexander had a lesbo daughter?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-15-2006 05:28 PM

Why haven't any of the ostensible supporters of free speech in Europe gotten all hot and bothered about this?
  • Tony Blair's controversial plan for a new law to stop people "glorifying" terrorism has been backed by MPs. . . .

    Reacting to the vote, Mr Blair said Parliament had shown it wanted to tackle not only those directly committing terrorist acts but also people who encouraged terrorism.

    The prime minister said the law would allow action to be taken against people with placards glorifying the 7 July bombers - which were seen in London during protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad. . . .

    Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the glorification clause was needed to act against organisations which tried to promote terrorism and created an atmosphere where impressionable young men thought suicide bombings were a "noble and holy activity".

Hank Chinaski 02-15-2006 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why haven't any of the ostensible supporters of free speech in Europe gotten all hot and bothered about this?
  • Tony Blair's controversial plan for a new law to stop people "glorifying" terrorism has been backed by MPs. . . .

    Reacting to the vote, Mr Blair said Parliament had shown it wanted to tackle not only those directly committing terrorist acts but also people who encouraged terrorism.

    The prime minister said the law would allow action to be taken against people with placards glorifying the 7 July bombers - which were seen in London during protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad. . . .

    Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the glorification clause was needed to act against organisations which tried to promote terrorism and created an atmosphere where impressionable young men thought suicide bombings were a "noble and holy activity".

I would deport them- although that would mean we'd have to deport such higher up Dems as Mikey Moore, so the vote wouldn't be there:(

Sidd Finch 02-15-2006 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why haven't any of the ostensible supporters of free speech in Europe gotten all hot and bothered about this?
  • Tony Blair's controversial plan for a new law to stop people "glorifying" terrorism has been backed by MPs. . . .

    Reacting to the vote, Mr Blair said Parliament had shown it wanted to tackle not only those directly committing terrorist acts but also people who encouraged terrorism.

    The prime minister said the law would allow action to be taken against people with placards glorifying the 7 July bombers - which were seen in London during protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad. . . .

    Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the glorification clause was needed to act against organisations which tried to promote terrorism and created an atmosphere where impressionable young men thought suicide bombings were a "noble and holy activity".


I don't know. But if you think that praising the London subway bombings is the moral equivalent of publishing a cartoon showing Mohammad with a bomb on his head, I am very concerned.

Personally, I'm happy to let people wear those shirts. Maybe with a nice bullseye on the back.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-15-2006 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't know. But if you think that praising the London subway bombings is the moral equivalent of publishing a cartoon showing Mohammad with a bomb on his head, I am very concerned.

Personally, I'm happy to let people wear those shirts. Maybe with a nice bullseye on the back.
And like *that*, support for the principle of free speech turns into support for speech we agree with.

Secret_Agent_Man 02-15-2006 11:57 PM

InaniTy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
If you think what Sebby said was "on the border of being offensive", then you must think what Less said most certainly crossed the border. Aren't you going to ask Less "to cut it out"?

On the other hand, isn't asking someone to stop saying something because it is offensive a little absurd on an anonymous political discussion board?
Good Lord, Spanky!

He was joking. You may be the most literal-minded intelligent person with whom I have ever come into contact.

S_A_M

Replaced_Texan 02-16-2006 11:45 AM

Pussy soldiers
 
This is sort of scary. Softer, gentler basic training. The comments, I think, are the most interesting part.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-16-2006 12:06 PM

King Funeral
 
The NYTimes rejected my Oped observation piece on watcching the King funeral... fucking partisan swine...

Bush 41 served up some icy, phoned in bullshit, but he gets a pass because he's old, and no one speaks ill of smiling elderly patricians. For reasons I don't understand, it seems mean, despite the stories of Carlyle Group white slave camps in Madagascar (who else would affix the plastic to those wire bread bag ties?). Its only a matter of time until he's deemed too old, or knowing too much, and treated to a faceful of scattershot from Dick. It would be wrong to rip the soon-to-be-hunted.

"Use the 10 guage. Removes the tongue."

Carter could only have embarrassed himself more by passing gas audibly during his speech. No one likes an old scold, and worse, an old scold with the stink of failure and incompetence trailing him like a cloud of body odor. Its one thing to hear an aging hippie wax nostalgic for the lost promise of an absurd utopia. From a decrepit peanut farmer who slid in and out of power like some dim VP thrown into the CEO's suite after a plane crash killed every other executive, it sounds flat, angry and insulting to the dead body in the casket in front of him. Jimmy Carter was our Disco President, and he stands for nothing but proving the Peter Principle. He reminds me of gas lines, middle parts and Grand Funk Railroad. His sole redeeming feature was his opening campaign act - the Allman Brothers. But even that was wrong on many levels. That Dickie Betts blackjacked his wife purple with an ashtray in a White House restroom during a state dinner where Roberta Flack received the Congressional Medal of Freedom doesn't speak well for the Republic. But back to the meat of it, Carter made an ass of himself, and a case that he might be the least qualified of the Presidents there that day.

Clinton, of course, stung a triple into the right field wall. The "frozen chosen" line was perfect, and the camera perfectly flipped to a shot of Bush 43, shit eating red faced grin, at the moment of its delivery. You could see the wheels turning... "Heh, I think I fucked an Oriental chick here in 1974... or was that Miami?" Off the cuff, Bubba grabbed the room by the short hairs, and showed everyone how its done. This led to the low point of the night - Hillary. To say she shit the bed would be kind. Where Bill exuded enough heat to warm the first three rows, the Ice Queen came off rigid, scripted and every bit as soulless, measured, conniving and deliberate as you know she is. The Democrats launching that lead zeppelin will spell the end of the two party system. They'll find her molesting an unconscious aide in the bowels of her campaign headquarters on election night, bloody fangs dripping chunks of torn adipose tissue, bleating gibberish... "They want cock? They need cock? Cock, cock, cock... God screwed me..."

Mondale 2008. An "I will be avenged" concession, coupled with Hitler arm-chops will turn back the women's rights movement 50 years. The only question is which Republican gets to beat her into a bloody slab of flank steak.

Sidd Finch 02-16-2006 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And like *that*, support for the principle of free speech turns into support for speech we agree with.
I thought you were asking about the "European free speech advocates," not about my personal views. My personal view would not preclude people from wearing offensive t-shirts.

But I guess you're right. If Germany is going to make denying the Holocaust a crime, they certainly cannot allow people to print pictures of Muhammad.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-16-2006 12:37 PM

King Funeral
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The NYTimes rejected my Oped observation piece on watcching the King funeral... fucking partisan swine...

Bush 41 served up some icy, phoned in bullshit, but he gets a pass because he's old, and no one speaks ill of smiling elderly patricians. For reasons I don't understand, it seems mean, despite the stories of Carlyle Group white slave camps in Madagascar (who else would affix the plastic to those wire bread bag ties?). Its only a matter of time until he's deemed too old, or knowing too much, and treated to a faceful of scattershot from Dick. It would be wrong to rip the soon-to-be-hunted.

"Use the 10 guage. Removes the tongue."

Carter could only have embarrassed himself more by passing gas audibly during his speech. No one likes an old scold, and worse, an old scold with the stink of failure and incompetence trailing him like a cloud of body odor. Its one thing to hear an aging hippie wax nostalgic for the lost promise of an absurd utopia. From a decrepit peanut farmer who slid in and out of power like some dim VP thrown into the CEO's suite after a plane crash killed every other executive, it sounds flat, angry and insulting to the dead body in the casket in front of him. Jimmy Carter was our Disco President, and he stands for nothing but proving the Peter Principle. He reminds me of gas lines, middle parts and Grand Funk Railroad. His sole redeeming feature was his opening campaign act - the Allman Brothers. But even that was wrong on many levels. That Dickie Betts blackjacked his wife purple with an ashtray in a White House restroom during a state dinner where Roberta Flack received the Congressional Medal of Freedom doesn't speak well for the Republic. But back to the meat of it, Carter made an ass of himself, and a case that he might be the least qualified of the Presidents there that day.

Clinton, of course, stung a triple into the right field wall. The "frozen chosen" line was perfect, and the camera perfectly flipped to a shot of Bush 43, shit eating red faced grin, at the moment of its delivery. You could see the wheels turning... "Heh, I think I fucked an Oriental chick here in 1974... or was that Miami?" Off the cuff, Bubba grabbed the room by the short hairs, and showed everyone how its done. This led to the low point of the night - Hillary. To say she shit the bed would be kind. Where Bill exuded enough heat to warm the first three rows, the Ice Queen came off rigid, scripted and every bit as soulless, measured, conniving and deliberate as you know she is. The Democrats launching that lead zeppelin will spell the end of the two party system. They'll find her molesting an unconscious aide in the bowels of her campaign headquarters on election night, bloody fangs dripping chunks of torn adipose tissue, bleating gibberish... "They want cock? They need cock? Cock, cock, cock... God screwed me..."

Mondale 2008. An "I will be avenged" concession, coupled with Hitler arm-chops will turn back the women's rights movement 50 years. The only question is which Republican gets to beat her into a bloody slab of flank steak.
Too bad someone had to die to set up this little political spectacle.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-16-2006 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I thought you were asking about the "European free speech advocates," not about my personal views. My personal view would not preclude people from wearing offensive t-shirts.

But I guess you're right. If Germany is going to make denying the Holocaust a crime, they certainly cannot allow people to print pictures of Muhammad.
My bad. When I referred to "the ostensible supporters of free speech in Europe," I was talking about free speech in Europe, and its ostensible supporters here. You know -- all the people who got so exercised about the importance of Danish cartoons in the marketplace of ideas. They don't seem to care that England is passing a law banning expression of certain ideas.

original Hank@judged.com 02-16-2006 02:02 PM

King Funeral
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Jimmy Carter was our Disco President, and he stands for nothing but proving the Peter Principle.
I remember as kid one of my favorite disco hits was "love to love you baby". That and Bee Gees, but in in 1979 my dad took me to the Disco Demoliton Twi-Night doubleheader in Chicago. Sox versus Detroit. we needed disco records to burn to get entry. my dad took my Saturday Night Fever album and burned it. the night ended in a near riot with fights and worse. i couldnt listen to disco after that.

same with Carter after the "killer rabbit" incident.

Wonk, you at that game too?

original Hank@judged.com 02-16-2006 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
My bad. When I referred to "the ostensible supporters of free speech in Europe," I was talking about free speech in Europe, and its ostensible supporters here. You know -- all the people who got so exercised about the importance of Danish cartoons in the marketplace of ideas. They don't seem to care that England is passing a law banning expression of certain ideas.
the democrats were concerned about Sadamm and WMDs before 2001, but after Bush, not so much-they now claim he never had them. where's the bigger inconsistency?

Raggedy Ann Coulter 02-16-2006 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
the democrats were concerned about Sadamm and WMDs before 2001, but after Bush, not so much-they now claim he never had them. where's the bigger inconsistency?
The bigger inconsistency is Hillary Rodham daring to point a finger at Cheney, with a straight face, for not timely coming forward about the hunting accident, when last I recall the black pant-suited bitch was still hiding those Rose Law Firm billing records and Webb Hubbell's love letters.

original Hank@judged.com 02-16-2006 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raggedy Ann Coulter
The bigger inconsistency is Hillary Rodham daring to point a finger at Cheney, with a straight face, for not timely coming forward about the hunting accident, when last I recall the black pant-suited bitch was still hiding those Rose Law Firm billing records and Webb Hubbell's love letters.
Vince Foster was in season at the time of his shooting, right?

Raggedy Ann Coulter 02-16-2006 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
Vince Foster was in season at the time of his shooting, right?
He was clearly a better shooter than the Vice President.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...oster_hand.jpg

Practically a contortionist.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-16-2006 02:45 PM

AMT
 
Does Wonk ever post here?

Atlernative Minimum Tax repeal is front burner. At one level I understand why, because it's a secondary tax that now is hitting a lot of people.

But, isn't the AMT a lot closer to a flat tax? Why not scrap the regular income tax and use the AMT, which seems easier to figure, other than for the fact you need to figure it from your regular income tax, rather than straight up. Is there something wrong with the AMT in principle?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-16-2006 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
Vince Foster was in season at the time of his shooting, right?
You're thinking of that melon.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-16-2006 03:14 PM

AMT
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Atlernative Minimum Tax repeal is front burner.
In Congress, or among people figuring out what they're going to owe this year?

Quote:

Is there something wrong with the AMT in principle?
You mean, assuming that you think progressive taxation is a bad idea?

taxwonk 02-16-2006 03:21 PM

King Funeral
 
Quote:

Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
I remember as kid one of my favorite disco hits was "love to love you baby". That and Bee Gees, but in in 1979 my dad took me to the Disco Demoliton Twi-Night doubleheader in Chicago. Sox versus Detroit. we needed disco records to burn to get entry. my dad took my Saturday Night Fever album and burned it. the night ended in a near riot with fights and worse. i couldnt listen to disco after that.

same with Carter after the "killer rabbit" incident.

Wonk, you at that game too?
Yep. I brought something by Gloria Gaynor. It was probably the most seminal event in what was to become a lifetime of cynicism and a belief in the limitless stupidity of Man.


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