Das anti-Kapitalists!
 

I think education is working with respect to drug education, actually. The G spends all sorts of (my) money "educating" the public on it, the public receives this information and in large numbers very sensibly makes the better choice: i.e., this whole war on drugs thing is moronic, pass the blunt.

This seems to me to be an example of an educational program leading to a good outcome (in this case, rejection of baseless, manipulative propaganda and possibly an eventual end to a resource wasting and liberty infringing prohibition). Perhaps the outcome that comprehensive sex ed would lead to is similar - 'cause I know that my own thorough sex ed class did not make the whole thing terribly appealing. The image of turbo-geek bio teacher Mr. Doren demonstrating the resiliency of condoms by shooting them rubber-band-gun style at the slackers in the back of the class will stay with me always.

BR(Don't even get me started on the "over-the-head condom balloon inflation" trick - I'm sure the only reason I now have (relatively) normal sexual function is because a classmate saved the day by asking "so, does this mean you're a dickhead, Mr. Doren?")C

breaking....
 

Hm...Rehnquist was just released from the hospital. The newspaper article seemed to imply that there was a pulse, though.

Joe wilson
 

E.g., Jeff Gannon (see last paragraph), or Guckert, or whatever his name is now.

breaking....
 

That was the implicit point. Please tell me that you are not billing me for that post (and don't give me the excuse that you are having your summer associate phone it in. again).

Joe wilson
 

Do you believe everything you read on second rate blogs?

eta: oops, i meant, do you believe everything you read on the internet even after the Jayson Blair incident?

breaking....
 

[0.1 hours, Client Development: Feed the Beast.]

Joe wilson
 

This question is, I think, worth repeating for Slave and bilmore. I'd hate to think that they missed it first time 'round.

Joe wilson
 

1) I have to read anything at all about other agents being affected by this or of other operations being blown. If that truly was the case, I'm assuming we'd hearing a lot more about it.

2) Was it worth it? I don't know. Wilson had his platform and was able to spew his nonsense all of the place. The Plame Affair has allowed him to repeatedly return to the spotlight and re-iterate his lies. Had it not happened, he may have just gone away.

3) It's also important to recall the origin of the law; namely, that it was put in place after the Agee incident. Only one person has ever been prosecuted under the law, and that involved some pillow talk whereby someone outed 2 agents that were out in the field.

Joe wilson
 

* Why would you assume that we would hear a lot more about covert CIA operations? I understand that you've bought Rove's rationale that Plame's fair game because she was married to Wilson, and that you really really really don't like Wilson, but how does this lead to the conclusion that the doors to Langley are now open?

* Outing of CIA agents are troubling to you only if there's demonstrable evidence of fallout? Really?

Joe wilson
 

For other perspective, let us recall that the investigation of Lord Butler stands by the Niger intelligence, the British stand by the assertion that those magic words in the State of the Union were patently true, and the Bi-partisan Senate Commission wrote that Wilson fully misrepresented these findings.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Let me guess, she's undercover again.

http://www.nathanslunch.com/Nathans04%20079.JPG

(link to a large picture of Val and Joe)

Joe wilson
 

STP.

Joe wilson
 

Sidney "Hatchet Man" Blumenthal? Dude, he's slimier than Rove and DeLay put together

Joe wilson
 

I don't think so. Why would the Chinese announce that they've executed the the second commercial attache from their New Delhi embassy? Why would the French announce that they've re-assigned a charge d'affairs from a posting in Argentina to one in Zambia? And do you really think that with all of the mob hits in Russia, anyone would notice the death of some former employee of the state arms dealer during a car-jacking in Odessa?

Again, my question assumed that the law wasn't violated. Was it worth it to burn an entire front company to discredit one guy? Unlike Ty, I am assuming for the purposes of this question that he and his wife were partisan hacks who just wanted to make the Admin look bad, and that the specific law wasn't violated.

I don't think so, and I think that if it happened while Clinton was president (think James Carville or George S. as Karl Rove), there would be calls for hearings at a minimum, and calls for impeachment on the talk radio circuit.

Joe wilson
 

While that may be, do you dispute what he says about Gannon?

Das anti-Kapitalists!
 

You really think education is working at anything other than the margins? I'm with you on legalization, but I was under the impression that drug use has not dropped dramatically over the last 25 years.

As an aside, I had a MILF teach my sex ed class. Needless to say, I paid perfect attention and was the teacher's pet.

Joe wilson
 

I'll volunteer that I know little to nothing on the subject.

"Hack" Wilson
 

I have fond memories of Nathans.

Joe wilson
 

Blumenthal's article on Salon was three pages. I quoted part of one of those pages, with background facts that seemed undisputed, and did not bother to quote the opinions that led and concluded his piece. If there's a factual inaccuracy in there, I'd like to know about it, but I didn't see one.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Hmmn. Hot dogs.

Okay so could someone clear some things up here. On the phone with press, Rove is making a point that a CIA officer claiming X, Y and Z didn't go on a particular mission related to X, Y and Z at the behest of the Pres., but rather, at the direction of his wife, in an attempt to explain to the reporter how comments made about X, Y and Z should be taken in context. Reporter, is a press guy that is in-the-know, or at least his employer is and knows wife is a CIA agent and knows her name. We on the other hand being the ignorant public (excepting Slave of course who likes to eat at Nathans, NTTAWWT, and stalk Plame and hubby for a special signature on Slave's copy of Plame hubby's book) don't know shit about these people and a dude named Robert Novak announces to the free world, terrorists and all, that Plame is an undercover spy and blames Rove for outing her b/c of the discussion Rove had with a Washington Reporter.

Okay. Just checking.

"Hack" Wilson
 

When Rove said that he went at the "direction" of his wife, or something to that effect, he was misleading the reporter. See here. The only support you'll find for the notion that Plame had the authority to send Wilson anywhere is in GOP talking points.

Also, dunno why you think Cooper already knew who Plame was.

Plame didn't blame Rove. Novak said he was told who she was by two administration officials, and we didn't know whom they were until Cooper fingered Rove. There is at least one more person involved in the leaking, and maybe more (if Rove didn't call Novak).

Joe wilson
 

Dude, whatever your horse is in this race, you have to admit, the White House Press Corps, and Divid Gregory in particular, is basically prison raping Scott McClellan every day. Where's Ari? That doughboy they have up there is a goddamned pin cushion. He looks like he's got a mouthful of marbles and a huge dump in his pants. They have to give him the hook.

"Hack" Wilson
 

You really haven't been following this, have you?

"Hack" Wilson
 

Ty... Her ya go again, fighting about facts. Fuck the facts. The GOP's been fucking the Dems in every orifice for five years now by avoiding the facts and just pounding home blunt messages. Who gives a fart what Wilson knew/didn't know. The onlt fact that matters here is that Karl Rove is a dirty filthy scumbag who just got caught lying his way around a statute. bask in the moment and let the other side parse facts. Let them play the learned, well read debater here. You've already got the win. By arguing facts, about Wilson no less, you're giving up the high ground. Stay on message and keep it simple. Karl Rove did some dirty dirtyshit for meanpsirited political reasons, and now he's got his tit in the ringer, politically. That is all you need to say. Its irrefutable.

Joe wilson
 

W already cleaned that little intercontinentalist's clock once. He had better stfu or he'll feel Bush's wrath again.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Speaking of facts, below is a factual quote from Ted Kennedy about the judicial nomination process. I can't wait to see our side, the Right side, shove that down his fat fucking pie hole. You can have Rove, we will win where it counts.


http://www.goodolddogs2.com/drunken-senator.jpg

Joe wilson
 

Just giving him the truth would help him answer questions like "was Rove involved?" truthfully, thereby avoiding much embarrassment.

Joe wilson
 

There are a lot of good reasons to hate a person... but his choice of hotel?

"Hack" Wilson
 

You've got my proxy on the irrefutable shit, then.

"Hack" Wilson
 

You have a problem understanding the phrase "large numbers," don't you? It's not synonymous with "any".

"Hack" Wilson
 

Not saying Plame is blaming Rove. Whatever. I'm just wondering why any newspaper would ever disclose Plame's name and her occupation -- forget about who told the paper itself. Unconscionable.

Joe wilson
 

The public spin is already that Rove did something barely legal and very lecherous. You need do nothing else but spin that message all goddamned day, in every media outlet available. After Bush announces his nominee to the SC (which will be a huge media event pushed by the White House to overshadow the Rove debacle), you need to then shift the message to “Mr. President, nice nominee, but, are you going to fire Karl?” The press needs to keep asking that question, like annoying assholes. This will infuriate W and lead to some fantastic soundbites. It will also fuck up the Admin’s focus on the nominee issue, so that if they nominate a Jesus Nut to fill Rehnquist’s seat, we’ll be able to smear the nominee senseless with little brushback because the WH will be too busy fighting about the Karl Rove Debacle.

There’s a chink in the armor. The Dems had better blow this fucker open.

"Hack" Wilson
 

We shall see. If Bush ends up with 3 nominees (as rumours I am hearing indicate he will) by Labour Day, that is, to my assessment, a "large number" of Supreme Court nominees to have at one time.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Here's something refutable to ponder. What if the definition of "covert agent" in question isn't 50 USC § 426(4)(a) but 50 USC § 426(4)(b)(ii)?

(4) The term “covert agent” means—

The first definition:

• (A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
  (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
  (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

vs.

the second definition

• (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
  (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
  (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

The Blumenthal piece that Ty cited and Slave dismissed had the following passage in it:

• On July 30, the CIA referred a "crime report" to the Justice Department. "If she was not undercover, we would not have a reason to file a criminal referral," a CIA official said. On Dec. 30, the Justice Department appointed Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. attorney for northern Illinois, as the special prosecutor.

Makes the five years part of the statute that everyone's been talking about irrelevant.

"Hack" Wilson
 

What's unconscionable is Karl Rove outing a govt operative as part of a political vendetta and lying to the press about his involvement in the leak. And whats worse is the President backpeddling on his promise to fire the leak. This admin is acting like Clinton! Liars all!

See Ty... easy as pie. Rinse, Repeat 10,000x until Karl is on K Street.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Lighten up, Ty. He just had a brand new picture of TK that he'd never posted before, and he can't resist.

"Hack" Wilson
 

Or Novak, for that matter. I've never heard anyone wonder why newspapers ran his original column, but it's a good question.

Good Work If You Can Get It
 

I would gladly temp if I could get work like This (Article about inserting human stem cells into monkey brains and whether the monkeys would turn morally "more like us.")

We're told: "A panel of 22 experts -- including primatologists, stem cell researchers, lawyers and philosophers -- debated the possible consequences of the technique for more than a year." I could debate that shit easily for a year, even if it paid me like a 1st year associate, especially since the resulting work product wouldn't be too draining and if they let me smoke a lot of pot (end work product after one fucking year we're told is: "While the group agrees it is unlikely the process would work, the members felt strongly the risk is real and ethically important.") We need to find a sugar daddy to pay us to debate some shit on here too.
http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/ava...ine=1111007647

"Hack" Wilson
 

Novak said that the CIA's objection wasn't strong enough.

david gregory is W's whiny little bitch
 

From June 2002:

President Bush's exchange with NBC News correspondent David Gregory over anti-American protests in Europe attracted widespread attention. Bush ridiculed the reporter, who asked Bush a question about the protests and then tried to ask French President Chirac a question in French. "The guy memorizes four words, and he plays like he's intercontinental," said Bush. "Sir, if I could just follow," the reporter began. "Thank you," Bush shot back, as he answered the questions and then silenced Gregory. As Bush stepped away from the podium, he called to Gregory. "As soon as you get in front of a camera, you start showing off."

the Washington times reported that Gregory was dressed down. Like a petulant school girl.