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A new start
We are still working on restoring the original posts. I have them sitting in a backup but for some reason they didn't want to restore. But we'll figure it out. At least I hope we will.
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Politics a new beginning
Posted by Penske_account on 10/3 at 6:21 pm
The Age of Arnold! Read it and weep girly men! |
Posted by bridge of love, 6:23 pm
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Penske_Account The Age of Arnold! Read it and weep girly men! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wha' happened? |
Posted by Tyrone_slothrop, 6:24 pm
Y'know, I had been worrying that the internal contradictions in modern conservative thought were going to cause a massive bolt of cognitive dissonance that might overwhelm the board's very structure, but I really didn't think it would happen. |
Posted by Bride of Love 6:27 pm
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop Y'know, I had been worrying that the internal contradictions in modern conservative thought were going to cause a massive bolt of cognitive dissonance that might overwhelm the board's very structure, but I really didn't think it would happen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- most of us aren't modern. I'm a Nixon republican, i think Bilmore is more Reagan. |
Posted by Tyrone 6:29 pm
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bridge of love most of us aren't modern. I'm a Nixon republican, i think Bilmore is more Reagan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought bilmore acquired his views during the ancien regime. |
Posted by Bridge of Love at 6:30 pm
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bridge of love most of us aren't modern. I'm a Nixon republican, i think Bilmore is more Reagan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what's cool is my post count is down with the board gone. We may be onto something fountain of youth wise. |
Posted by the Ghost of Vince Foster
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bridge of love wha' happened? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hillary! She has made her move to consolidate her fascist lawless rule....actually, the truth is Hillary is another V.I. Lenin, trained in the law by her sponsors in order to subvert it. Of course looking at her, there are flashes of Stalin too, hell, she'd be an exact double if she hadn't waxed away her mustache. Billary and her subversive co-conspiring ilk in the DNC are running a shadow government and lusting for the day that al Qaeda and the Chinese communists bring the battle to the US so that they can launch their coup using the new police powers created in this War on Terror. This woman is a documented, criminally corrupt socialist, or to use a literary illusion an "Animal Farmer". Remember that the pigs were more equal, for readers of 'Animal Farm' Before you liberals start whinging about tinfoiled hats, remember that the fact is that Hillary was a protege of Saul Alinsky, a notorious and open Marxist. She's all about about power and makes no bones about her raw desire to subjugate the masses, a despot of gargantuan proportions and I'm not just referring to her calves and thighs. Her wake is littered with the bloody carnage of those who stood in her way. More facts to mull over: Hillary's sealed Wellesley thesis, the only thesis sealed in the school's history, was a paean to her mentor, the above mentioned Saul Alinsky and like Mein Kampf before it, details extensively her road map to overthrow the American way of life and install herself as Queen Bee, to wit, "Tell any lie for power." Hillary interned under Communist Robert Treuhaft. Hillary's terrorists eliminated Barbara Olson on September 11. It is long rumoured that the CIA has been aware that from his earliest days Bill was turned at Oxford and given his control at Yale. Between 1992-2000, Billary eviscerated the U.S. military, while simultaneously invigorating that of the PRC and North Korea. Coincidense? The OK City bombing was no angry white man, but rather the result of Iraqi John Doe Number Two and Nichols joint venture with the Philippino Islamic wing of al Qaeda, Abu Sayeff. Meanwhile, Co-presidents Clinton allowed Osama to remain free, spending more time attacking Bill Gates, Ken Starr, Rush Limbaugh, a baby aspirin factory in Somalia and a camel's anus in Afghanistan. Billary sent Jimmy Carville to install Barak to betray Israel. Quick, name 3 people she's killed, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Jim McDougal. Too easy. And, in another odd coincidence, Congressman Porter Goss' Chief of Staff, ex-CIA agent John Millis sucked a shotgun at the Breezeway Motel just days after calling Clinton "the worst president for counterintelligence ever". People, the enemy is not at the gates, the enemy is in the U.S. Senate. http://www.digikitten.com/playhousev...ze/hillary.jpg |
Posted by Bridge of Love 6:39 pm
Ty, stop you're killing me. Go home. |
Posted by Not From Here at 6:41
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by the ghost of Vince Foster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus H. Christ man, give it a rest already. You and ALL your sock buddies. |
What Happened
Posted by Leagleaze at 6:44
Something seemed to have happened to the thread. Most likely it was my fault. So I'll take the blame, no one else. It wasn't a random thing though it was something I did not realizing it would have this impact. It isn't a huge deal, I do a backup most every night, and I did one last night. What I am trying to do is figure out if there is a way to restore just this forum as opposed to the other ones. Cause if I have to restore the entire database it will remove all of the posts that people have done since that backup. So give me a little time, one way or another I'll bring the original posts back, I just want to be careful about how I do it. |
Posted by ltl/fb at 6:46
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by the ghost of Vince Foster Hillary! She has made her move to consolidate her fascist lawless rule....actually, the truth is Hillary is another V.I. Lenin, trained in the law by her sponsors in order to subvert it. Before you liberals start whinging about tinfoiled hats, remember that the fact is that Hillary was a protege of Saul Alinsky, Hillary's terrorists eliminated Barbara Olson on September 11. The OK City bombing was no angry white man, but rather the result of Iraqi John Doe Number Two and Nichols joint venture with the Philippino Islamic wing of al Qaeda, Abu Sayeff. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Penske, you didn't have to eliminate the whole existing politics board just to resuscitate one of your Clinton-hating right-wing wacko socks. You could have used him on the old board. |
Posted by ltl/fb at 6:47
Quoting Leagleaze's explanation and responding: it's probably for the best that the post that could be interpreted (but was not intended) as a proposition from me to sgtclub is lost to recorded history. Unless he printed it to take home and smooch -- or whatever. |
Posted by Penske at 6:48
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by NotFromHere Jesus H. Christ man, give it a rest already. You and ALL your sock buddies. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Concur. This stuff has been done before and better.....well, equally as good. |
Posted by Penske at 6:51
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ltl/fb Penske, you didn't have to eliminate the whole existing politics board just to resuscitate one of your Clinton-hating right-wing wacko socks. You could have used him on the old board. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not me. I was the original Vince Foster's Lager on the old Infirm board, but have quit socking since then. |
Posted by Tyrone at 6:54
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by bridge of love Ty, stop you're killing me. Go home. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at Penske, he's the only other person in the room. I haven't socked since we left Infirmation -- it's too much work. |
Posted by Penske at 7:00
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop Look at Penske, he's the only other person in the room. I haven't socked since we left Infirmation -- it's too much work. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a feeling Plated lurks here. Probably him. If so, let me point out, he still owes me a dinner. |
Posted by ltl at 7:01
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop Look at Penske, he's the only other person in the room. I haven't socked since we left Infirmation -- it's too much work. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excuse me? On leagl's behalf too. |
Posted by Tyrone at 7:03
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ltl/fb Excuse me? On leagl's behalf too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My deep and sincere apologies. When I downloaded the page to which I was responding, neither of you had made an appearance yet. And just because y'all are here, I have a special treat -- empirical proof that FOX News bites. . . |
Crap
Posted by ltl at 7:04
In a way, this is like when you've been working on a document all day long but you haven't saved it to the magical IT permanent savings bank computer yet and your computer crashes and it's gone and you have to recreate it all over again. To get back above 1k I'll have to start posting on the TX boards or something. I'll be here all fucking weekend. Sucky. And I can't even bill for it. |
Someone is really working hard to keep me from saying that FOX News bites. But it does. "The extent of Americans' misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience."
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Thanks for that link, Ty . . its nice to have empirircal evidence that Fox News, in addition to being "fair and balanced" apparently either attracts a particular breed of idiot or systematically creates false perceptions in its viewers, or both. I will not speculate as to the correct answer.
Anyway, I was just getting ready to wade back into the fray last night when the Board dissappeared -- even though I am still smarting from the sting of that shrewd cut delivered by none other than 'Bridge of Love". Let me tell you, when a poster of that caliber smacks you down by saying that a post of yours is "retarded" and the "stupidest post ever" because it suggested that news organizations were driven by a search for ratings -- that enough to make you rethink your entire posting career. Back to my prior topic -- the Kay report: Club -- I don't think that my post misrepresented the report at all -- no evidence yet found of current CW or BW and only the "most rudimentary" nuclear program. That's the way both the Washington Post and the Washington Times reported it -- although the differing emphases in their headlines were quite striking. The Times trumpeted the evidence of deception, but noted in a sub-headline that "Weapons Continue to Elude the U.S. Team". The Post just started out with "No Evidence of Weapons Found" Indeed one vial -- or even many vials of toxins -- do not constitute BW in any meaningful military sense of the term -- alhough they could still be of use to terrorists. Sure, there is lots of evidence that Hussein was a lying, deceiving sack of crap who was working to be able to have WMD again some day -- But that ain't the picture that was sold to the public. Thus, I think that it will hurt the Administration a lot if that's all we ever find. Further to that point -- Bilmore -- I remembered what Bush said on the threat . I knew he didn't say "imminent" and I'm not jumping around yelling that "Bush lied" -- but I think that most of the American public would have views and perceptions similar to tht of dtb/fb. Maybe they all watch FOX News. That is why the news coverage focused on the lack of current WMD -- and that will hurt Bush. Here are some examples -- Cheney -- the leading Iraq hawk -- said on TV that Iraq had "reconstituted" its nuclear program. There is absolutely NO evidence that such a thing is true. It makes me wonder if he was lying, or what he was thinking. Kay's report estimates 5-7 years for Iraq to have reconstituted its nuclear program. Of course, the White House can't trust Kay because he's from the CIA. On March 17, 2003 -- in his televised ultimatum to Hussein-- Bush said "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to posses and conceal some o the most lethal weapons ever devised." Bush in May, 2003 -- "we've found the weapons of mass destruction" -- afteer the empty portable labs turned up. Now -- here is the best spin Bush can put on the initial report 10/03/03: "The report states that Saddam Hussein had clandestine network of biological laboratories, a live strain of [the]deadly agent botulinum, sophisticated oncealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibited longer range missiles." I've got to tell you that empty labs, plus lots of illicit design work and concealing stuff from the inspectors ain't exactly the package sold to the American public and the world. GWB must feel a bit like he ordered from the back of the comic book and his Sea Monkeys were DOA. Of course, he falls back on -- "Well, anyway, he was a dangerous and evil sack of shit who violatd U.N. resolutions and who needed to die." I'd have bought that logic initially, but I doubt most Americans would have. We'll see how it flies in an environment when Lt. Gen. Sanchez said this week that h U.S. military is projecting to continue to lose 3-6 KIA and 40 WIA per week going forward. Plus, to tie in other threads -- no evidence o support claim of uranium from Africa. No evidence to support the Brit. claim re CW ready to deploy in 45 minutes. Hmmmm. S_A_M:flag: |
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Club -- I don't think that my post misrepresented the report at all -- no evidence yet found of current CW or BW and only the "most rudimentary" nuclear program. That's the way both the Washington Post and the Washington Times reported it -- although the differing emphases in their headlines were quite striking. The Times trumpeted the evidence of deception, but noted in a sub-headline that "Weapons Continue to Elude the U.S. Team". The Post just started out with "No Evidence of Weapons Found"[QUOTE] I think I responded to most of this before the board went down, so I'll wait to see if it is retored. Did you read the actual report or just the Wapo and WT accounts? |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sgtclub
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man Club -- I don't think that my post misrepresented the report at all -- no evidence yet found of current CW or BW and only the "most rudimentary" nuclear program. That's the way both the Washington Post and the Washington Times reported it -- although the differing emphases in their headlines were quite striking. The Times trumpeted the evidence of deception, but noted in a sub-headline that "Weapons Continue to Elude the U.S. Team". The Post just started out with "No Evidence of Weapons Found" Quote:
As my post suggested, though, the way people view the report and the result is at leaat as important as the reality. For example, the most recent cover of The Economist (for gosh sakes) -- a firm supporter of the war and not really "liberal" at all in the modern sense of the word -- has the following headline over a photo of Bush and Blair -- 'Wielders of mass deception?" the first Leader in that edition (10/4/03) has the following header and subheader -- "Wielders of mass deception? There was a good case for deposing Saddam Hussein, but Britain and America stretched it." I'll give you the first few sentences: "The road to war with Iraq was paved with arguments, good and bad. Among the many good ones were Saddam Hussein's serial invasions of his neighbours, his neglect and disregard for his own people, and his recidivist disregard for the umpteen UN resolutions passed in the hope of domesticating him. But there were some less good arguments advanced by the governments that ousted him. George Bush and Tony Blair, it now appears, exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD), This is not just a negligible footnote in the history of Iraq's conquest and reconstruction -- just so much propoganda under the bridge. In the eyes of the world, especially the Arab world, the flimsiness of some of the claims about Mr. Hussein's arsenal has helped to make a legitimate conflict seem otherwise." This sort of analysis stings, and I think that it will get worse for Bush -- especially if the economy doesn't get lots better in terms of employment fairly soon. At a minimum -- they're playing defense now. S_A_M |
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Rush couldn't make it in a business where empirical reality with lots of stistics existed to measure against his b.s. Yep, given the performances of Vick, McNair, Culpepper, Warren Moon, Doug Williams, etc. the media had to pump up Donovan McNabb because they are desperate for some black quarterback to succeed somewhere, some time. Thanks for telling us the straight story, you junkie. |
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On the Rush thing, Bill Simmons on ESPN.com points out that if someone things that black QBs are hyped relative to white QBs, they should only consider the respective treatment of Jake Plummer and Steve McNair. And ESPN.com also has a piece on the Rush thing by Ralph Wiley that's worth reading. |
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There's a good piece in the NYT about what's wrong with state government in California, but here's the best sentence (and the one before it):
"The initiative process that he championed has contributed to the near-fatal weakening of the legislature, and has created prodigious opportunities for manipulating and mismanaging the state's political business. Legislators have been reduced to diddling uselessly in Sacramento while various interest groups routinely bamboozle the electorate with proliferating ballot initiatives that are poorly written, often contradictory, and nearly always bad law." Worth the $4.00 for home delivery (less if you get the electron-based version). |
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Yom Kippur War II: The Final Battle
Go IDF! GO SHARON!!! Way to score one for the good guys!
I pray that Israel has embarked on a new policy today that whenever there's a terror attack of any kind on Israelis, any time, anywhere, they will strike with massive force against the outlaw thug nations of the Islamo-Arabic heathans. This latest suicide bomber was a whoring demon. The Palis have stooped to the lowest yet. By the by, when was there ever a state called Palestine or an ethnicity of Palistinians? Where do these Palestinians originate from? Hades? Are they just a made up race of dEvIl dOgs?!?! Seriously, I ask one of the pseudo-Arab apologist liberals here if these palistinians are anything but a bunch of nomadic Jordanian and Saudi Arabs with different coloured table clothes for hats? What arrogant and misguided delusionalism conspires to embolden them to dream of stealing away G-d’s gift of the holy land from the Israelites? As for Syria, I don’t think anyone except the French and the left wing in the US is weeping today. This is one of the five truly evilest terrorist states in the world, along with Iran, N. Korea, Saudi Arabia and France and all of them should be pay dearly for supporting the death of innocent Israelis. Thankfully W’s administration has come out strongly supporting the smiting down of Syria. Certainly it is only naïve Democrats that think W and Cheney did not bless this mission from the get go. Most of the foreign guns for hire in Iraq are Syrian pigs and Bush knows too well that most of the missing WMDs will be found in Syria. Today’s attack was a welcome prelude to our next mission, Operation Party to Damascus. Before I go, on this holy eve, I share with you, 2 Samuel 8:6: Then David put garrisons in Syria of Damascus; and the Syrians became David's servants, and brought tribute. So the LORD preserved David wherever he went. Verily! For what it may worth, I think the filthy Ayatollah Islamo-Fascists in Iran better get ready to have their "nuclear" plans set back a few centuries. Today’s message was surely meant to resonate in Teheran. In fact I saw this picture on Reuters (or one of those newsie sites) where a group of Iranians decided to hold an anti-American rally. Since they are illiterate they found a Christian Missionary to help "translate" their demonic slogans to signs. Apparently this was a Christian Missionary with an wry sense of irony. http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/Sy...ckOurArses.JPG |
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From the site: Sending our soldiers pizza at this time provides them a much needed moral boost by demonstrating support from around the world and at the same time providing people outside of Israel with a way to express their solidarity with Israel at this crucial time. |
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From the site: Delight our soldiers out in the field with a Hamburger & Cola and your good wishes! Share your feelings with them at this difficult time in a very tangible way. At the same time you are supporting Israeli Burger restaurants hit by the tourist slump. Sounds like a win-win situation. pretermitted(and no, hamburgers did NOT originate from Germany)child |
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