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Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2004 02:39 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
Get in on the hot Beltway game!

Gattigap 11-04-2004 02:44 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Get in on the hot Beltway game!
Tommy Thompson. My bet is that Powell is already halfway done with the underground tunnel he's been digging with spoons from the WH cafeteria, but leaving too quickly would be poor form.

OTOH, Thompson could leave tomorrow and few would notice.

SlaveNoMore 11-04-2004 02:46 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Gattigap
Tommy Thompson. My bet is that Powell is already halfway done with the underground tunnel he's been digging with spoons from the WH cafeteria, but leaving too quickly would be poor form.

OTOH, Thompson could leave tomorrow and few would notice.
Wolfowitz.

I'm shocked beyond belief that Rummy is still in there. He's gone right after the elections.

Gattigap 11-04-2004 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Wolfowitz.

I'm shocked beyond belief that Rummy is still in there. He's gone right after the elections.
By any standard of performance in the Reality-Based Community, I can't disagree -- Rumsfeld would be gone.

Don't forget, however, that:

(1) Rummy is a principal architect of our current Iraq policy, and much of the rest of our foreign policy, such as it is. GWB, for this reason, together with his general reluctance to discard anyone in the Administration other than those who blurt out uncomfortable truths, is somewhat beholden to him now, as letting him go would admit much that Bush would not want to admit.

(2) With whom would you replace Rumsfeld? His personality has so dominated the landscape that there are few visible and credible candidates standing around.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 11-04-2004 02:57 PM

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Ashcroft. Too easy. If any of you, Slave excepted, ever looked at Fox News.com, you'd know they already quote sources as saying he will resign soon...

Shape Shifter 11-04-2004 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Ashcroft. Too easy. If any of you, Slave excepted, ever looked at Fox News.com, you'd know they already quote sources as saying he will resign soon...
Heard that on CNN this morning as well (they watch fox news also).

SlaveNoMore 11-04-2004 03:03 PM

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Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
If any of you, Slave excepted, ever looked at Fox News.com, you'd know they already quote sources as saying he will resign soon...
What's with all the hatin'?

Shape Shifter 11-04-2004 03:08 PM

Barney?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-04-2004 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
By any standard of performance in the Reality-Based Community, I can't disagree -- Rumsfeld would be gone.

Don't forget, however, that:

(1) Rummy is a principal architect of our current Iraq policy, and much of the rest of our foreign policy, such as it is. GWB, for this reason, together with his general reluctance to discard anyone in the Administration other than those who blurt out uncomfortable truths, is somewhat beholden to him now, as letting him go would admit much that Bush would not want to admit.

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Rummy hangs on for a little while in the hopes there's something in Iraq that lets him say mission accomplished.

Powell, meanwhile, goes quickly.

I'd guess Ashcroft sticks around until the Rehnquist situation clears up, which for political reasons gives Bush some options on appointments--he can appoint an AG as a sop to the wing of the party that doesn't get the Chief choice. (e.g., Giuliani to placate the nomination of Jones/Gonzales/Luttig/Alito)

SlaveNoMore 11-04-2004 03:25 PM

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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Rummy hangs on for a little while in the hopes there's something in Iraq that lets him say mission accomplished.

Powell, meanwhile, goes quickly.

I'd guess Ashcroft sticks around until the Rehnquist situation clears up, which for political reasons gives Bush some options on appointments--he can appoint an AG as a sop to the wing of the party that doesn't get the Chief choice. (e.g., Giuliani to placate the nomination of Jones/Gonzales/Luttig/Alito)
Not that it would happen quickly, but "the Cheney steps down, Condi tapped as Veep" rumour actually makes some sense to me.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-04-2004 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Not that it would happen quickly, but "the Cheney steps down, Condi tapped as Veep" rumour actually makes some sense to me.
Why on Earth would Cheney want to step down. He's practically running the country. (By which I don't mean to suggest that he tells Bush what to do, but by all accounts he is absolutely essential in deciding what the President gets to hear, which is almost as good.)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-04-2004 03:48 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why on Earth would Cheney want to step down. He's practically running the country. (By which I don't mean to suggest that he tells Bush what to do, but by all accounts he is absolutely essential in deciding what the President gets to hear, which is almost as good.)
Ashcroft first, Powell second.

Powell is the one who is persona non grata, but by holding the door for Ashcroft first, Bush can say he is reaching out and trying to be a unifier.

Then he gets to kick Powell a couple of times on the way out the door, and probably lets Dick and Condi get in on the fun, too.

I'm expecting Rummy and Wolfie to stay; if they were going to be gone, they'd be out, and I think the Administration actually shares their neocon wet dreams.

SlaveNoMore 11-04-2004 03:50 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Why on Earth would Cheney want to step down. He's practically running the country. (By which I don't mean to suggest that he tells Bush what to do, but by all accounts he is absolutely essential in deciding what the President gets to hear, which is almost as good.)
Because (1) contrary to lefty diatribes, Cheney is neither power-hungry nor is he a bad guy, (2) for health and family reasons, it has been bandied about that he wanted to go, and (3) he couldn't leave before the election because he does significantly motivate the base (and I really don't know why).

Replaced_Texan 11-04-2004 04:06 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Gattigap
Tommy Thompson. My bet is that Powell is already halfway done with the underground tunnel he's been digging with spoons from the WH cafeteria, but leaving too quickly would be poor form.

OTOH, Thompson could leave tomorrow and few would notice.
Thompson announced over a year ago that he was leaving at the end of the adiministration. His job was to get the Medicare prescription drug bill through and that was it. Tom Scully, who oversaw that whole fiasco, resigned a soon as the bill was signed.

I, of course, have objections to people in the Executive branch pushing for legislation and then not sticking around to implement it.

I will say, though, that as bad as the HIPAA Privacy Rule is, the Rule as amended in August 2002 was infinitely more workable than the final Rule from December 2000. That is a credit to the Bush Administration. Implementation of HIPAA Transactions and Code Sets, though, was and continues to be a nightmare.

The changes to the EMTALA regulations don't seem to be that bad. The IG needs to be appointed. Janet Rehnquist has been gone for over a year and a half now, and though I like Lew Morris, a permanent replacement needs to be named. That branch of DHHS is the money making enterprise, and it needs leadership. NIH funding has been pretty consistent. The final regs for Stark were surprisingly humane. I do have problems with the FDA, but I think those are systemic, not necessarily administrative. One of the first things that Thompson did when he got there was to change HCFA's (Health Care Financing Administration) name to CMS (Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services). Aside from the name change, I haven't seen much of a difference in the two entities. Must of cost a hell of a lot, though, to rebrand everything. OCR is wholely and completely underfunded, given its new mandate and that's bad for health care. We're left without guidance on the Privacy Rule, and as a result, there is a lot of confusion. I don't know much about the Indian Health Service, and the CDC has been doing good work.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-04-2004 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because (1) contrary to lefty diatribes, Cheney is neither power-hungry nor is he a bad guy, (2) for health and family reasons, it has been bandied about that he wanted to go, and (3) he couldn't leave before the election because he does significantly motivate the base (and I really don't know why).
How would Condi be received on the Hill if nominated as vp? Straight party-line vote?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-04-2004 04:43 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
How would Condi be received on the Hill if nominated as vp? Straight party-line vote?
She'd pick up anywhere from a few Dems to most of them, depending on how the WH handled it. What is more objectionable about her than any of the other potential candidates?

sgtclub 11-04-2004 09:33 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
She'd pick up anywhere from a few Dems to most of them, depending on how the WH handled it. What is more objectionable about her than any of the other potential candidates?
I don't know who will go, but the whole communications department should be taken out back and shot..

Tyrone Slothrop 11-06-2004 06:22 PM

From today's Washington Post:
  • Although Bush plans no administration-wide housecleaning, not everyone who wants to stay will be able to. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow was subtly given the idea that he would not be staying for all four years but could take all the time he wanted to leave, administration officials said. Snow may help kick off Bush's proposal to overhaul the tax code and then return home to Richmond, officials said.

    Attorney General John D. Ashcroft is also expected to leave. So are Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.

Adder 11-06-2004 07:01 PM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why on Earth would Cheney want to step down. He's practically running the country. (By which I don't mean to suggest that he tells Bush what to do, but by all accounts he is absolutely essential in deciding what the President gets to hear, which is almost as good.)
The better question is why replace him with Condi?

Tyrone Slothrop 11-06-2004 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
The better question is why replace him with Condi?
An even better question than that is, if Powell is out, why replace him with Condi? And I think the answer is that Cheney and Rumsfeld have already decided that they can roll her, and so she won't get in their way at State. (Same would be true of Danforth, I think.)

baltassoc 11-07-2004 12:35 AM

Who will be the first administration official out the door?
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Thompson ... One of the first things that Thompson did when he got there was to change HCFA's (Health Care Financing Administration) name to CMS (Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services). ... Must of cost a hell of a lot, though, to rebrand everything.
On the plus side, the new acronym causes a hell of lot of confusion and makes the Department of Health and Human Services appear to be run by retards.

Shape Shifter 11-08-2004 06:02 PM

Rumsfeld
 
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...net_rumsfeld_1

I really don't see what them not discussing the Old Testament has to do with anything.

ltl/fb 11-09-2004 07:00 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
"Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Don Evans have resigned, the White House said. Details soon." From CNN.

Maybe Bush wants to put John Ashcroft up for a Supreme Court vacancy.

SlaveNoMore 11-09-2004 07:26 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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ltl/fb
"Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Don Evans have resigned, the White House said. Details soon." From CNN.

Maybe Bush wants to put John Ashcroft up for a Supreme Court vacancy.
Ashcroft is ill and wants to get out of government.

Who's next? Ridge or Powell?

(sticking with Wolfie)

ltl/fb 11-09-2004 07:32 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ashcroft is ill and wants to get out of government.

Who's next? Ridge or Powell?

(sticking with Wolfie)
do you have any comment that might make sense of Ashcroft's statement that "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved"? Was this Bush's reelection? Or does he really think that all crime is erased and no terror threat exists anymore?

Probably the quote is out of context. I hope so.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2004 07:33 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ashcroft is ill and wants to get out of government.

Who's next? Ridge or Powell?

(sticking with Wolfie)
"Ill." Thats like "man getting hit with football." It works on so many levels.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2004 07:35 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
do you have any comment that might make sense of Ashcroft's statement that "The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved"? Was this Bush's reelection? Or does he really think that all crime is erased and no terror threat exists anymore?

Probably the quote is out of context. I hope so.
Sense and Ashcroft. Like a gin and gravy.

ltl/fb 11-09-2004 07:42 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
"Ill." Thats like "man getting hit with football." It works on so many levels.
The quote appears in other sources. Maybe "ill" means "So fucked in the head that he thinks crime and terrorism have been defeated on his watch."

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-09-2004 07:46 PM

So my bet is that there is a couple of days of "Boy are we glad he's gone" quotes from Dems in the paper, and then they take Powell to the woodshed Friday afternoon.

Replaced_Texan 11-09-2004 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So my bet is that there is a couple of days of "Boy are we glad he's gone" quotes from Dems in the paper, and then they take Powell to the woodshed Friday afternoon.
I'm a Texas Democrat. Our motto is "well, it could be worse." I wanna see who Ashcroft is replaced by before jumping for joy.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-09-2004 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I'm a Texas Democrat. Our motto is "well, it could be worse." I wanna see who Ashcroft is replaced by before jumping for joy.
I'd like to see the Dems stay on message this week, with the message being "Ashcroft leaving doesn't change the fundamental antagonism of this administraiton to free speech and civil rights."

SlaveNoMore 11-09-2004 07:52 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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sebastian_dangerfield
"Ill." Thats like "man getting hit with football." It works on so many levels.
It really does:

http://www.brendanloy.com/blog/image...ootball1sm.JPG

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-09-2004 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I'd like to see the Dems stay on message this week, with the message being "Ashcroft leaving doesn't change the fundamental antagonism of this administraiton to free speech and civil rights."
You mean, laying the groundwork for a defeat in 2008?

SlaveNoMore 11-09-2004 07:55 PM

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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I'd like to see the Dems stay on message this week, with the message being "Ashcroft leaving doesn't change the fundamental antagonism of this administraiton to free speech and civil rights."
Using the precedent of "pick the loser from a scandal-ridden Midwest Senate race"....

Good god, man. It's Alan Keyes.

Quick - file the secession papers.

ltl/fb 11-09-2004 07:56 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It really does:

http://www.brendanloy.com/blog/image...ootball1sm.JPG
At least he's not ducking it, like you do with any question that might cause your bizarre worldview to be altered in even the most minute detail.

I personally am not that excited about Ashcroft -- or anyone else in the Admin -- resigning. I think he's only going to appoint more wackily right-wing, don't tax but spend like hell, religious people so it's not a win. If (OK, when) he runs Powell off, there'll be a net loss.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2004 07:56 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The quote appears in other sources. Maybe "ill" means "So fucked in the head that he thinks crime and terrorism have been defeated on his watch."
No, nobody is that ill. That would be delusional. Acid level delusional.

ltl/fb 11-09-2004 07:57 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No, nobody is that ill. That would be delusional. Acid level delusional.
Mental illness is an illness.

I'm sure everyone will mostly agree that you can trust me on this.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2004 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Using the precedent of "pick the loser from a scandal-ridden Midwest Senate race"....

Good god, man. It's Alan Keyes.

Quick - file the secession papers.
Not so fast. You voted for these waterheads. If they put Alan in, you have to move to a red state.

sebastian_dangerfield 11-09-2004 07:59 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Mental illness is an illness.

I'm sure everyone will mostly agree that you can trust me on this.
Oh, I do, and I reieterate - nobody is that ill.

SlaveNoMore 11-09-2004 07:59 PM

Nobody even guessed Evans.
 
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ltl/fb
At least he's not ducking it, like you do with any question that might cause your bizarre worldview to be altered in even the most minute detail.
A) Did you recently post something other than a recipe?

B) I'm not fond of Ashcroft, nor have I read this fucking quote in or out of context.

C) So in answer to your question, My Festive Candied Yam, "I don't give a fuck one way or another"

I hope this proves responsive.


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