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Tyrone Slothrop 05-02-2007 01:37 PM

Meet your new thread, same as the old thread.
 
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...PRtB0XDQN0QQ--

Shape Shifter 05-02-2007 01:39 PM

Meet your new thread, same as the old thread.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
fnords
Power to the people!


Whoa. I saw them.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 05-02-2007 01:41 PM

Meet your new thread, same as the old thread.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
fnords
Grandpa?!?!!!

Tyrone Slothrop 05-02-2007 04:33 PM

God-damned fnords killed the board.

Shape Shifter 05-02-2007 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
God-damned fnords killed the board.
Way to immanentize the eschaton, Ty.

taxwonk 05-03-2007 10:22 AM

Rescusitative Efforts Were Unsuccessful
 
How about that Hillary Clinton, eh? I tell ya, she's a real pistol.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 11:05 AM

Did anyone notice that Condi Rice is meeting with the Syrian Foreign Minister? So she's a traitor, right?

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Did anyone notice that Condi Rice is meeting with the Syrian Foreign Minister? So she's a traitor, right?
Depends. is she doing it on behelf of the administration, or on her own?

Replaced_Texan 05-03-2007 11:23 AM

Koo koo ka chew
 
A new sig line for Shape Shifter:

I'm the commander guy.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Depends. is she doing it on behelf of the administration, or on her own?
Neither. I believe she represents herself as the Secretary of State of the United States, not the Secretary of State of the Bush Administration. Like Speaker Pelosi, she visits foreign countries in her capacity as an official of our government.

Shape Shifter 05-03-2007 11:37 AM

Koo koo ka chew
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
A new sig line for Shape Shifter:

I'm the commander guy.
Thanks RT! I hate to give up the chicken-plucking thing so soon, but he's been on a roll lately. New stuff every day.

eta: I challenge someone to read that entire speech. The guy's completely incoherent.

ltl/fb 05-03-2007 12:21 PM

Koo koo ka chew
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
A new sig line for Shape Shifter:

I'm the commander guy.
"And we're proving that pro-growth economic policies with fiscal discipline can work. And our budgets are shrinking [sic]."

The White House maintains the site, and that "sic" is theirs. WTF?

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2007 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Neither. I believe she represents herself as the Secretary of State of the United States, not the Secretary of State of the Bush Administration. Like Speaker Pelosi, she visits foreign countries in her capacity as an official of our government.
I counting this

318-21

fair and balanced 05-03-2007 12:45 PM

Vive la 2nd Amendment! The only Amendment that ever really mattered....
 
Australian Gun Law Update

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts you effette liberal pukes...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST....... DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE U.S.A

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I counting this

318-21
I didn't realize you were already up to 20 losses. Sorry to have to add to the total. Better luck next time.

Shape Shifter 05-03-2007 12:58 PM

Vive la 2nd Amendment! The only Amendment that ever really mattered....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by fair and balanced
Australian Gun Law Update

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts you effette liberal pukes...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST....... DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE U.S.A
Ed needs a fact checker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

LessinSF 05-03-2007 01:32 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/26/...or-65-million/ (see URL)

bi-partisanship fairy 05-03-2007 01:49 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/26/...or-65-million/ (see URL)
In the spirit of finding a bi-partisanshipish way to mitigate his on-going damages, aren't there any cleaners that pick and deliver in DC? Would save rental car fees and gas outlays.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 02:07 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/26/...or-65-million/ (see URL)
I've heard a little about this case. If I understand correctly, everyone in the world agrees that his damages claim is a joke. If there is an issue, it is whether a business that posts a sign that says "Satisfaction Guaranteed" is liable in some fashion if, in fact, it does not provide satisfaction.

I would think that a fellow who lost a pair of pants at a dry cleaners would have better things to do with his time, but apparently either he (1) has very, very, very low marginal utility for his spare hours, or (2) derives tremendous utility from being a jackass.

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2007 02:10 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've heard a little about this case. If I understand correctly, everyone in the world agrees that his damages claim is a joke. If there is an issue, it is whether a business that posts a sign that says "Satisfaction Guaranteed" is liable in some fashion if, in fact, it does not provide satisfaction.

I would think that a fellow who lost a pair of pants at a dry cleaners would have better things to do with his time, but apparently either he (1) has very, very, very low marginal utility for his spare hours, or (2) derives tremendous utility from being a jackass.
which one is it for GGG?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 05-03-2007 03:49 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've heard a little about this case. If I understand correctly, everyone in the world agrees that his damages claim is a joke. If there is an issue, it is whether a business that posts a sign that says "Satisfaction Guaranteed" is liable in some fashion if, in fact, it does not provide satisfaction.

I would think that a fellow who lost a pair of pants at a dry cleaners would have better things to do with his time, but apparently either he (1) has very, very, very low marginal utility for his spare hours, or (2) derives tremendous utility from being a jackass.
There's a follow-up article calling for his disbarment because of this frivolous case.

captain marvelous 05-03-2007 05:21 PM

enough is enough?
 
During the course of the last 6 1/2 years I have seldom felt that there was not at least a shred of hope for our country and have always been known as a pragmatic common-sense based liberal, but I have to say that in the aftermath of Bush's veto of the funding bill that I feel as if this country and me, personally, are hitting the wall. With all due patriotism, I hate where Bush has taken this country and what we all have become as a result, but at this point I don't see how we can ever make any of it better or how I can continue to be a party to this evil oppressor nation.

Am I alone here in these feelings? I'm sure I'm not, but seriously, what do you all do when you are at the point of wanting to hurl yourself off this proverbial cliff of national despair?

Hank Chinaski 05-03-2007 06:01 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by captain marvelous
During the course of the last 6 1/2 years I have seldom felt that there was not at least a shred of hope for our country and have always been known as a pragmatic common-sense based liberal, but I have to say that in the aftermath of Bush's veto of the funding bill that I feel as if this country and me, personally, are hitting the wall. With all due patriotism, I hate where Bush has taken this country and what we all have become as a result, but at this point I don't see how we can ever make any of it better or how I can continue to be a party to this evil oppressor nation.

Am I alone here in these feelings? I'm sure I'm not, but seriously, what do you all do when you are at the point of wanting to hurl yourself off this proverbial cliff of national despair?
I volunteer for the Peace Corps. last month I built a well in the Mali.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 06:20 PM

For Those Full of Shit Enough to Deny Double Billing and Bill Padding
 
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Why no one's brought a mail fraud charge yet I still can't figure out. I guess all the prosecutors figure its best not to piss on the firms they may have to work for if their political careers don;t work out...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/01/...billing-abuse/

We've all done it and those of us still practicing will still do so.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 06:26 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've heard a little about this case. If I understand correctly, everyone in the world agrees that his damages claim is a joke. If there is an issue, it is whether a business that posts a sign that says "Satisfaction Guaranteed" is liable in some fashion if, in fact, it does not provide satisfaction.

I would think that a fellow who lost a pair of pants at a dry cleaners would have better things to do with his time, but apparently either he (1) has very, very, very low marginal utility for his spare hours, or (2) derives tremendous utility from being a jackass.
They're a couple hardworking immigrants who have been slammed to the tune of tens of thousands in legals costs by a guy who worked as a non-profit lawyer for "neighborhood associations" and then rode his political connections to the "Entitlement Crowd" into an Admin Judge position (a well trained parrot could rule on most of the cases before an Admin Judge).

He probably figures they "owe" him.


Shape Shifter 05-03-2007 06:28 PM

For Those Who Disagreed With Sebby
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They're a couple hardworking immigrants who have been slammed to the tune of tens of thousands in legals costs by a guy who worked as a non-profit lawyer for "neighborhood associations" and then rode his political connections to the "Entitlement Crowd" into an Admin Judge position (a well trained parrot could rule on most of the cases before an Admin Judge).

He probably figures they "owe" him.
What kind of Admin judge is he? Parking ticket appeals?

eta: Never mind. Bio here: http://oah.dc.gov/oah/cwp/view,A,3,Q,604474.asp

Guy Smiley 05-03-2007 06:45 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by captain marvelous
During the course of the last 6 1/2 years I have seldom felt that there was not at least a shred of hope for our country and have always been known as a pragmatic common-sense based liberal, but I have to say that in the aftermath of Bush's veto of the funding bill that I feel as if this country and me, personally, are hitting the wall. With all due patriotism, I hate where Bush has taken this country and what we all have become as a result, but at this point I don't see how we can ever make any of it better or how I can continue to be a party to this evil oppressor nation.

Am I alone here in these feelings? I'm sure I'm not, but seriously, what do you all do when you are at the point of wanting to hurl yourself off this proverbial cliff of national despair?
when life gives me lemons, I make lemonade.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 08:39 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by captain marvelous
During the course of the last 6 1/2 years I have seldom felt that there was not at least a shred of hope for our country and have always been known as a pragmatic common-sense based liberal, but I have to say that in the aftermath of Bush's veto of the funding bill that I feel as if this country and me, personally, are hitting the wall. With all due patriotism, I hate where Bush has taken this country and what we all have become as a result, but at this point I don't see how we can ever make any of it better or how I can continue to be a party to this evil oppressor nation.

Am I alone here in these feelings?
I don't think the U. S. of A. is an evil oppressor nation. And Bush will be gone in a year and a half.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 09:01 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by captain marvelous
During the course of the last 6 1/2 years I have seldom felt that there was not at least a shred of hope for our country and have always been known as a pragmatic common-sense based liberal, but I have to say that in the aftermath of Bush's veto of the funding bill that I feel as if this country and me, personally, are hitting the wall. With all due patriotism, I hate where Bush has taken this country and what we all have become as a result, but at this point I don't see how we can ever make any of it better or how I can continue to be a party to this evil oppressor nation.

Am I alone here in these feelings? I'm sure I'm not, but seriously, what do you all do when you are at the point of wanting to hurl yourself off this proverbial cliff of national despair?
I suggest finding a gaggle of Boy Scouts and sacrificing yourself to a smoring, Chocolate Head. I'd say fondue, but you're clearly not the fine dark swiss stuff. That'd smack of social climbing, and you don't want that in your epitaph.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 09:01 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Guy Smiley
when life gives me lemons, I make lemonade.
No cevice?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 10:02 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No cevice?
If life gives me lemons, and I already have ceviche, I say "fuck making lemonade" and just eat the ceviche.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-03-2007 11:12 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If life gives me lemons, and I already have ceviche, I say "fuck making lemonade" and just eat the ceviche.
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?

Tyrone Slothrop 05-03-2007 11:19 PM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?
I would tend to doubt it. In my world, that's what restaurants are for.

LessinSF 05-04-2007 05:50 AM

For Those Full of Shit Enough to Deny Double Billing and Bill Padding
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Why no one's brought a mail fraud charge yet I still can't figure out. I guess all the prosecutors figure its best not to piss on the firms they may have to work for if their political careers don;t work out...

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/05/01/...billing-abuse/

We've all done it and those of us still practicing will still do so.
It is only an issue if a client is disgruntled. And, mostly, bar complaints relate to solo or small practicioners. Big firms work it out with their clients.

That said, maybe it is because I do insurance law complete with their billing guidelines and outside monitoring agencies (and the implicitly accepted ruses that get around them), billing a client my full time if I choose to work for them instead of sleeping while traveling for another client does not keep me on flights.

ETA: Slave wrote that - I, instead, would sleep on the flight for the benefit of client A, and work in the hotel room later that night rather than sleeping for the benefit of client B, so that I violated nothing. I am concientious that way.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-04-2007 09:50 AM

For Those Full of Shit Enough to Deny Double Billing and Bill Padding
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
It is only an issue if a client is disgruntled. And, mostly, bar complaints relate to solo or small practicioners. Big firms work it out with their clients.

That said, maybe it is because I do insurance law complete with their billing guidelines and outside monitoring agencies (and the implicitly accepted ruses that get around them), billing a client my full time if I choose to work for them instead of sleeping while traveling for another client does not keep me on flights.

ETA: Slave wrote that - I, instead, would sleep on the flight for the benefit of client A, and work in the hotel room later that night rather than sleeping for the benefit of client B, so that I violated nothing. I am concientious that way.
The client's not disgruntled if the client can't find the fraud. If you apply the ".2 here, .3 there" rule you can hide 20 hours a month easily. Doesn't sound like a ton, but those little $60 increments here and there add up.

My favorite is the frivolous motion practice gig... If you need a 15-20 hours, just refuse to turn something over in discovery and come up with some semi-legitimate basis for doing so. The other side will flip out an send letters you'll have to reply to and then file a motion against you. Its best to do this with cases as far from the office as possible, to maximize travel time. Motion court's a blast. You get to sit around and read the paper, then argue, then drive back, listening to tunes and making a few phone calls. Kills a whole day and gets you out from behind the desk.

Another favorite is asking for tax returns in discovery. You can always say you need them to substantiate damages claims. Nobody turns them over without some motion practice.

Hank Chinaski 05-04-2007 10:10 AM

For Those Full of Shit Enough to Deny Double Billing and Bill Padding
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The client's not disgruntled if the client can't find the fraud. If you apply the ".2 here, .3 there" rule you can hide 20 hours a month easily. Doesn't sound like a ton, but those little $60 increments here and there add up.

My favorite is the frivolous motion practice gig... If you need a 15-20 hours, just refuse to turn something over in discovery and come up with some semi-legitimate basis for doing so. The other side will flip out an send letters you'll have to reply to and then file a motion against you. Its best to do this with cases as far from the office as possible, to maximize travel time. Motion court's a blast. You get to sit around and read the paper, then argue, then drive back, listening to tunes and making a few phone calls. Kills a whole day and gets you out from behind the desk.

Another favorite is asking for tax returns in discovery. You can always say you need them to substantiate damages claims. Nobody turns them over without some motion practice.
Thank goodness you didn't go to dental school.

Tyrone Slothrop 05-04-2007 10:24 AM

For Those Full of Shit Enough to Deny Double Billing and Bill Padding
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Thank goodness you didn't go to dental school.
POTD.

taxwonk 05-04-2007 10:31 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Can you make ceviche with lemonade?
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.

Replaced_Texan 05-04-2007 10:47 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.
There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago about a restaurant in Mexico City that uses tangerines. I'm curious.

ETA: Present for you, Wonk. I don't trust 'em. I think the experiment needs to be repeated.

sebastian_dangerfield 05-04-2007 11:03 AM

enough is enough?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I've always made it with limes, and that's the wy I've seen every recipe do it. But I suppose lemons would work. Personally, if life hands me lemons, I push life to the ground, teat the lemons in haalf with my bare hands, and squeeze the lemon juice in Life's eye. That'll show it. Little crying bitch.
I've fought the Life, and the Life tends to win.


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