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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Not proud. Somewhat sickened it was, or seemed at the time, necessary. Should we torture (have Pakistan torture) the no. 3 AQ guy (what's his name, Ali something)? If we can expose some pltos/cells? If you say yes, should we only torture the "top 10."
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I don't want people tortured in my name or for my safety. Period. Check with your administration --- they say they don't either. They say they haven't. Are they liars, Hank? Club?
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Sorry no. No plebecite for how to deal with al Queda. We need to go with how do we get them talking.
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I didn't realized we surrendered control of the government to Perle. No plebecite, but I'd like to see us complying with international law and human rights principles that we SAY we're complying with. 'Cause otherwise we lose a bit of moral authority when our guys get beheaded on videotape, yes?
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When did we do this? Lindh is in jail for being a Tal;iban, not for any dirt he spilled. Shit. We're letting real terrorists go because our system is not structured to deal with the reality. That guy we learned they let go, because to try him we'd have to let him know about all our intelligence sources, so we deport him. We know he was plotting to blow shit up and our criminal justice system points to "send him overseas." He will kill people, understand? We know it, and yet the system you feel we've thrown out dictates we can't practically try him.
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Once again, I'd like to have this debate BEFORE the Administration proceeds with it. Last night I went to bed confident that we didn't torture people into confessing and then toss them into our criminal justice system. Torture was something Israel did a lot of handwringing about, but our hands were clean, even though we might have some unsavory allies. It was one of the things you could count on. I feel kicked in the gut.
At least we're clear --- the Right Side thinks torture IS justified. There's no hair-splitting about what happened at Abu Ghraib or to Lindh, because you're saying it's okay even if it was the worst thing we imagined. All I wanted to know was whether you'd admit it was policy. Now we know: if it was policy, you're proud of it and your Administration is ashamed.
