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Old 06-14-2004, 05:15 PM   #2205
Gattigap
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The Padilla Case

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Originally posted by Not Me
I don't see this as simply treason. This is beyond treason. Treason is helping the enemy. These people have joined a group who is actively trying to overthrow our government and instill an Islamic government. That is the ultimate goal of AQ - a world under Islamic rule.
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Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort. Cramer v. U. S., U.S.N.Y., 325 U.S. l, 65 S.Ct. 918, 9327 89 L.Ed. 1441. See 18 U.S.C.A. § 2381. A person can be convicted of treason only on the testimony of two witnesses, or confession in open court. Art. III, Sec. 3, U.S. Constitution.
How is what you've just described not treason (or, "Beyond Treason")?

(I understand that this is "really bad" treason that pisses us off, but I think -- notwithstanding that cogent argument -- treason it remains.)
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