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Old 09-08-2004, 05:20 PM   #3916
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
By any reasonable measure, the Swifties have been discredited.
You always state this as truth, and you're wrong. One of the allegations was that Kerry was lying when he claimed (several times, for specific purpose) to have spent Crhistmas in Cambodia. Kerry has now admitted this was true. And, I think I read that his campaign has also admitted that his first medal was granted for a self-inflicted wound not in the presence of the enemy (which, I think, means he didn't properly qualify). So, those have certainly not been discredited. I don't know enough to speak about the other allegations, but I do know that you seem to be taking the NYT approach - we'll just keep saying it's garbage without dealing with it.

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The point was not to find the truth, it was to smear Kerry to take him down. Hell, they're not even pissed off at him over what happened in Vietnam -- it's what he did when he got back that bugs them.
All true. And, again, I do think that the bias of a speaker is pertinent to deciding if the speaker is telling the truth. But, Kerry has admitted that they were truthful for at least two of the claims. So, that weighs in their favor, in my eyes.
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