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Old 09-08-2004, 05:33 PM   #3926
Tyrone Slothrop
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Originally posted by bilmore
You always state this as truth, and you're wrong. One of the allegations was that Kerry was lying when he claimed (several times, for specific purpose) to have spent Crhistmas in Cambodia. Kerry has now admitted this was true. And, I think I read that his campaign has also admitted that his first medal was granted for a self-inflicted wound not in the presence of the enemy (which, I think, means he didn't properly qualify). So, those have certainly not been discredited. I don't know enough to speak about the other allegations, but I do know that you seem to be taking the NYT approach - we'll just keep saying it's garbage without dealing with it.
As I said, he was on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve* and in Cambodia later. Brinkley, for example, corroborates this. He said that he was there on Christmas Eve maybe three times in 20 or so years. (BTW, this was not in the Swift ads that I saw. If you look those references, you will see that the specific date on which he was there was not material, except rhetorically. If this is the best you got, you don't got much.

On the "self-inflicted" wound, he was injured while blowing up VC stockpiles, right? It's not like he was trying to hurt himself. Here again, the substance of the allegation is not particularly damaging to Kerry, except that Swifties blowhards** are trying to tar Kerry with the words "self-inflicted" to make it sound like he injured himself to avoid service or something.

I've looked at this stuff. It's garbage. The Swifties repeatedly discredit themselves by changing their story and contradicting themselves in a way that would have you singing "flip-flopper" and "liar" if Kerry was speaking.*** It should not surprise anyone that the recollections of young men in battle will vary, and the Swifties are doing their level best to sell this as Kerry mendacity. Even Isabella Rosselini's face will look imperfect if you look close enough.

Under fire, he saved Rassaman's life. That was heroic. The stuff you're trumpeting is extraneous bullshit that doesn't change this.

* He said Christmas Eve, not Christmas, though I'm not holding it against you because I understand you profess to be engaged in a lengthy process of information gathering so that you can make up your mind.

** And now yourself, presumably unwittingly as you profess to be in engaged in a lengthy process of information gathering so that you can make up your mind.

*** I am sure that you will discover this in your information gathering.


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