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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
1) Bullshit. You guys keep saying this on the board, but it boils down to saying that he was there on Xmas Eve when in fact he was on the border on Xmas Eve and there a month later. Bullshit I say.
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I remember being 14 and coming home drunk one night. My parents *suspected* that I'd been drinking. I told mum and pops that I was at the library with X & Y, but they busted me with the old "X & Y stopped by an hour ago looking for you and said they hadn't seen you at all tonight". For me at least, mum and pop didn't care 11 years later when I told them that I had actually been at the library a month earlier, and with Z (who I was now married to). They knew I still told a bald-faced and deliberate lie that night. Kerry was neither drunk nor a teenager when he pounded the table with his lie in 1986 (or whenever).
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
2) Bullshit again. What he did was par for the course there. Are you really offended by the fact that he was injured by shrapnel from his own grenade? I didn't think so.
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And yet, some people actually signed up for second and third tours. When you say Kerry did something dishonorable that was "par for the course" among a million veterans, I hope you fully understand why so many others treat him like a leper. It might have been par for the course for people like Kerry (and in direct contrast with the absolutely unassailable service of many other democratic politicians), but hundreds of thousands, or perhaps more than a million, of Vietnam veterans sit back and think "I didn't write myself up for purple hearts under such circumstances".
Oh, and I'm glad that you brought up the injured by shrapnel thing. He continually manages to use that shrapnel line in the same sentence as his purple hearts. Is it just clever wording, or does he actually have shrapnel from enemy fire that was used for a Purple Heart citation? Because, if not, its misleading and deplorable to tie the two together.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
3) The loud ones do. There are an awful lot of vets (especially the enlisted men) who feel otherwise, but they didn't start smearing people.
And thanks for the tacit admission that there was a lot of lying involved in smearing Kerry in this way. And so he got a Purple Heart too many -- Rassaman isn't complaining about it. The man was still a hero.
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Start "smearing" people? This started in March, and Kerry was one of the original smearers. Now his allies in the media appear to be using forged documents to continue that effort, ironically just 3 weeks after Kerry cried like a little girl about questioning of his military service (and no more than 6 months after the Dems and Moveon et al. started this line of debate by questioning Bush's Nat. Guard service). Who is smearing who again?
And a "lot of lying" isn't really all that accurate. A "lot of hatred" is. The lying that has been exposed is Kerry's own lies, as told throughout his political career. His own campaign has been forced to revise his history in how many ways?
Care to lay your odds on a Kerry victory in November?
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