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Old 09-13-2004, 06:07 PM   #4345
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general pet peeve (comments from Chicagoans?)

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Originally posted by bilmore
I think I understand what you're saying, and also what you mean by it. But, I do so colored by the underlay that slavery was an incredibly efficient and effective system.

I agree that getting a whole bunch of people to contribute to the cause is more effective than small, individual efforts, and that the most effective result comes from the most widespread participation. However, that doesn't give you a moral claim to my participation - just a logical argument as to why I might want to participate. Big difference.
Big difference my ass. Your characterization is that rich people would be contributing to the cause along with the poor under my system... and I don't have a moral claim to their/your participation. I'm saying that the rich people and towns are paying to impose the entire burden on me (if I live on parts of the south or west side of Chicago). Excuse me while I retch.

Once we accept that the G is going to impose this on society, the first and most essential question is whether its being imposed fairly. Its not fair when rich people can buy their way out of a draft, and its not fair when rich people can buy exemption from the full impact of their nation's laws. The idea that you would characterize it as me making moral claim to their participation, is less than zero. The flipside is them buying their way out of participation and imposing the burdens of such participation on me.

Do you really believe that the burdens are fairly distributed now?

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