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With welfare, food banks, and all the programs designed as safety nets, I don't think there are that many people starving here. Any? I really doubt it.
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You are refreshingly naive for one who holds his opinions so confidently.
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Most of the people who are sleeping in culverts are the mentally ill, who we sort of cast out out of a misguided concern for their right to select to live in a culvert. Shall we incarcerate them for their own good?
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You're actually pretty much on target here, except that your choice of the word "incarcerate" is either hyperbole or belies a bit of misplaced compassion. The de-institutionalization movement was one of the most misguided efforts the liberals in AMerica ever undertook.
I personally believe that a lot more people do need to be institutionalized.
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If things settled down right now, and we left in months, there would be quite a few remaining die-hard fanatics bent on violent overthrow who would then resume their bombings on a new, weak government without our support. We're stuck cleaning up the remains of an overly-quick invasion (isn't THAT a funny concept?) that failed to kill enough off. I'm amused, though, at the sudden decision by millions of Kerryites that the progress is failing - seems like the concern materialized simultaneously across the liberal world in the last week - couldn't be a realization that they need an issue in 45 days, could it? Bush said this would take a long time and cost a lot of money when it started. Now, you're saying "Bush lied! He said it would be slow and expensive, but it's slow and expensive! Liar!"
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Do me a favor. I do you the courtesy of treating you as an individual with an independent mind, conscience and will. Please do me the same courtesy and stop referring to me as though I were one of millions of faceless liberals.
I never said Bush lied when he said it would be long and expensive. I'm not saying he lied now, either, at least not about that. If you won't treat me with the same dignity and respect I treat you, there's no further point to our discussions.
I don't believe progress is failing. I don't think we have made much progress since the beginning and it's one of the reasons I wasn't so sure we should be going in at this particular time.
Things haven't settled down, and as long as there are diehards ready to lob bombs at a govenrment not yet ready to resist them, then our leaving will be a failure. I predict we are there for the indefinite future, and more likely than not, when we leave, it will be a Republican president getting us out because the conservatives will no longer be willing to shoulder the financial burden.
You seem very committed now, Bilmore. Will you continue to be when interest rates go back up to double digits and your tax bill goes up 20%?
