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Originally posted by bilmore
You complain that I don't treat you "individually". That I treat all libs here as fungible. That I don't take your viewpoint seriously.
Maybe it's because you all use old, slanted info to make your partisan points. Maybe it's because you all (you, too) rip what's happening in Iraq, based on ignorance. Yes, effin' IGNORANCE.
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Within the last week, there have been two car bombings in Baghdad that killed and wounded dozens. The military commander in Baghdad has been quoted as saying he can't guarantee the security of Americans and foreigeners living in the Green Zone. The lengthy passage you post below notes that there are still heavy pockets of resistance throughout Iraq. How is that in any way incinsistent with what I said?
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Got any really close rels in Iraq?
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Sister's boyfriend has been there for a year. But he isn't in the habit of writing or calling with classified information so I can't really use him as a source for intelligence analysis. How 'bout you?
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How's this?
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... Things will still happen in those cities, and you can be sure that the bad guys really want to take them back. Those achievements, more than anything else in my opinion, account for the surge in violence in recent days – especially the violence directed at Iraqis by the insurgents. Both in Najaf and Samarra ordinary people stepped out and took sides with the Iraqi government against the insurgents, and the bad guys are hopping mad. They are trying to instill fear once again. The worst thing we could do now is pull back and let that scum back into people’s homes and lives....
.... It causes the American public to start thinking about the acceptability of “cutting our losses” and pulling out, which would be devastating for Iraq for generations to come, and Muslim militants would claim a huge victory, causing us to have to continue to fight them elsewhere (remember, in war “Away” games are always preferable to “Home” games).
Posted by Captain Ed at September 17, 2004 01:36 PM
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But I bet a dollar you don't even make it this far. Read what someone on the ground has to say that knocks down your view? Heavens, no. But, slander the effort for the sake of a doomsdayer? Sure. He's in your party.
I never thought I'd say this, but it IS correct to attack the patriotism of the Dems. You'd rather we lost, just so your party wins. My god, how you guys must hate Bush. I can't imagine hating that much.
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Well, Bilmore, what I read in your quoted passage seems again to be consistent with what I said. It's going to be a long, difficult fight if we are going to succeed in Iraq. That's exactly what I have been saying all along. To the extent I have been pessimistic, it is in wondering if we will ever overcome the pockets of resistance to the degree that we will be able to leave.
I'm not slandering the effort. I'm challenging the view that the conflict is ultimately winnable, largely because I don't believe that the American people want to become a colonial power. Empire is expensive. I doubt that the Repblicans will ultimately be willing to pay the price.
You have bought the ridiculous notion that this war will not ultimately lead to higher taxes, higher interest rates, and bigger deficits. You have even bought the asinine assertion that this war can be fought and Bush can cut taxes at the same time.
I'm not opposed to the war, as I've said many times. I'm opposed to Bush, and to naive fools who are willing to forsake members of their own society for the sake of their consumption and expect their children to pay for their war.
I'm opposed to Bush because he's willing to let people who have joined the military because they have no other option fight and die while he cuts the safety net out from under their families to help pay for tax breaks for dentists who buy Hummers.
I wouldn't have chosen to go into Iraq before we actually met our commitment to Afghanistan. I wouldn't have picked an easy public relations victory to detract from the fact that I was unable to find and capture a one-legged man who needs dialysis. I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen to expand our military commitments if I was politically obligated to rape the middle class and the poor to pay for tax breaks for the rich.
But I also wouldn't leave a bigger mess in Iraq than I found when I got there. I'm committed to creating a stable political climate in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm willing, if a bit pissed off, about having to pay higher taxes to pay for it.
I'm not willing to re-elect the dilettante who foolishly got into this mess in the first place, and I'm not willing to vote for that same idiot if he's going to continue offering payoffs to his cronies while more jobs are lost and more people go hungry at home.
You're not a patriot. You're just paranoid, greedy and deluded.
