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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is a bullshit response, because you're both accusing me of trying to have it both ways, while having it both ways yourself. If you're bothered by the (ostensible) use of the word "quagmire" three days into the war, then you ought to have a real problem with the actions -- not statements, but actions -- taken by the Republicans who are actually running the fucking government, like holding up the creation of the Department of Homeland Security so that they could smear Max Cleland. Or the crap they're pulling in the House with intelligence reform. But you don't, as far as I can tell.
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I just don't see it that way, but we'll never agree. I don't think it was held up for the election (DOH that is). I think it was held up because they didn't really like the idea, but political pressure got to great and they caved. I admit I haven't had time to follow intelligence reform that closesly, but why does the 9/11 commision recommendations need to be followed whole cloth in order for you not to see nefarious intent. I have a lot of reservations on the recommendations. Not that I wouldn't ultimately agree with them, but I think they deserve serious thought.
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If Bush had been running the war in a bipartisan way, then it would have been too cute by half for the Democrats to take their part in running it, and to criticize its prosecution at the same time. But since Bush wasn't willing to proceed in this way, it is quite simply beyond me why you think that anyone was trying to have it both ways.
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Here's where I just lose you. The following is not direct at you, but to many DEMs on the Hill, including JFK. I think they are being opportunist in their stance and have been looking for an opportunity to go against Bush since before the war started. Fortunately for them, and unfortunately for our troops, that window of opportunity was made easy by the inept handling of the post war reconstruction.
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I don't recall the Democratic Party using the word "quagmire." In fact, an awful lot of Democrats, like Kerry, voted to authorize the war. Seymour Hersh used the word in a New Yorker article, and it got a lot of play, but your "argument" -- I use the word loosely -- is a little like my accusing you and the rest of the Republican Party of calling Democrats "traitors" because Anne Coulter said it. If this appears to rankle me, perhaps you remember bilmore accusing me of using the word, and then ultimately having to acknowledge that I hadn't.
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Many were. I'm not referring to you.
