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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why must you continually try to frame every debate as some sort of suburb vs. urban poor conflict. You've responed to my challenge that most conservatives are phonies hiding an agenda by shooting the messenger. Here's a tip - your technique of reframing/warping the issue so that you can make every debate one about class and race, is transparent. A mongoloid could spot that you're trying to goad everyone into debates where you can take strong moral positions about inequality which make the opponent look like an ogre. You remind me of that line in Holidays in Cambodia where Biafra properly describes upper middle class white self-loathing:
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Oh. My. God. Let's ignore class and race here? I spent half of last night arguing that Kerry has never addressed our nation's security! Where were you?
You seem a bit sensitive bout this class and race thing though. Ya ever consider talking to someone 'bout that?
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Stop trying to call me a classist/racist/anti-urbanist. My post had no hint of any of that. At least when I crash and burn, I admit it, instead of trying to morph the subject fifty times. Admit it, man - you're a conservative - you want people to adhere to certain morals, but you just can't stomach saying it because that forces you to give up all intellectual credibility in the argument.
I certainly do not mean to label you or anyone else here as a "racist", at least in the overt sense. And I can admit that I want people to adhere to certain morals. I can admit that. I just don't want the Federal government or an activist judge telling me what those morals are and aren't. I love how you throw out this kind of nonsense too. Why would admitting to morals force someone to give up all intellectual credibility in an argument. The argument is whether the Federal government should be telling us which ones to follow. You say drugs-no, abortion-yes, I say drugs-no, abortion-no, you say I'm a hypocrite because I say drugs-yes, abortion-no. Its an endless stream of senseless misrepresentation and mischaracterization from you. Conservatives-this, you-that. Its like you are daydreaming an argument with an imaginary opponent.
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
And get rid of your hard on for for arguments about the ghetto. Its sounds contrived from an obviously whitebread Catholic kid from the better side of the tracks.
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That is simply not going to happen. I understand that people don't want to hear about it, and I've seen how far people will go to ignore it, but its the height of failure in our society, and the strongest argument a conservative (or really, anyone) has to point out hypocricy in this nation. But like I said, it sounds like you are a bit sensitive to this. You should talk to someone about that.
