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Old 10-14-2004, 01:25 PM   #3126
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
It is inconceivable to me that the sexuality of Cheney's daughter is gay could cost B/C a single vote in this election.
I agree. Aside from being a crappy thing, it won't do at all what Kerry wanted it to do.

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However, it is worth pointing out to all Americans, including those who "disapprove" of homosexuality, that there are gay Republicans too -- including some who are well known -- it is hopefully harder for the bigots to demonize those with whom they are otherwise ideological soulmates, and may even make them think a bit.
Yes, and let's out pretty much any characteristic in anybody's kids that causes disapproval among some in society, in the hopes that it will make others in the same boat more secure. How far are you going to be reaching on this one?

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It is also legitimate to point out -- as Edwards did to some extent and news organizations have done repeatedly-- the split betwween Bush and Cheney on this divisive soical issue.
Great. Point it out. Cheney's statements have made that clear, and are out there for citing.

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I find it remarkable that you -- who apparently believes that George W. Bush wanders though the political world like a purposeful Candide - a naif who speaks from the heart and just does what is right and never engages in political calculation -- find it so easy to ascribe the worst motives to this.
You make no sense. I find Kerry to be a dishonest, calculating, say-anything-for-the-vote-now kind of guy that Bush isn't, and so have no problem ascribing this motivation to him.

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So, if Kerry had not spoken her name, but had simply responded more generally with a reference that all recognized -- would you have had the same beef? Or should he just have let it go completely unmentioned, because, after all, it is so shameful?
So you, too, want to shut this down by claiming I think it's shameful? Let's discuss racial problems next, and you can accuse me of being racist when you don't like my take on AA.
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