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Old 10-19-2004, 12:15 PM   #3872
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Kerry on the war on terror

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

It seems to me that Al Quaeda was going to lay low over here after pulling off 9/11 because they're not stupid. They know we're sensitive to things we weren't sensitive to before. That happens no matter who is in office and no matter how many colors are on the terrify-people-chart.

The fact is, because of the type of attacks they engage in, we are not safer over here. They're just waiting til we get lazy again. But you can't live in a constant, indefinite state of fear, despite Cheney's best efforts. That's why terrorists choose these kinds of attacks. It's very difficult to defend.

After 9/11, for like 6 months, security was tight at my building. Everyone had to be credentialed to gain access. Security was visible and posted all over -- not just at every entrance. Now, I could swipe anyone's access card and go up because security just doesn't pay attention anymore. It's all bullshit anyway. If someone wanted to blow the building up, they wouldn't be trying to get upstairs. They'd plant the bomb in the areas everyone has unlimited access to.

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Hi TM. We cannot secure every high-rise, every plant, every church, every port, every terminal and so on. Its simply an impossible task. This should in no way be construed as a threat against anyone, but I was taught long ago that any defensive security measure can be overcome and every targetted individual can be killed. Which is to say, there is a flip side to the security you describe, and its what *some* complain about.

The Federal government has investigated everybody and their brother. They've put creeper programs on the internet. They've set up overly-broad watchlists. They've set up threat detectors for entire cities. They've fingerprinted every single visitor from certain countries. Etc. etc. etc. At the end of the day, our goal here is to have a fairly comphrehensive domestic intelligence system in place. Since the frantic days after 9/11, you'll notice that the government has moved more and more towards preemptive measures in arresting groups of suspected terrorists and individuals. No more, we received information that they were conducting war games in the Virginia woods. More like, she's illegal, she crossed from Mexico, she was carrying a lot of money she couldn't justify, and she's on our middle east watchlist. She's deported.

Which is to say, I think the federal government is taking a lot more action to track networks and individuals before they come through the lobby of your building. Its not foolproof, but neither are defensive (as compared to preemptive) security measures.

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