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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Help how? What precise help are you upset about losing and from which countries? I don’t recall any country in a position to send us money to help rebuild our towers so I’m thinking you mean countries were willing after 9/11 to search harder for terrorists in their countries. If so, nabbing terror cells in one’s country benefits one’s own country and not just Americans.
Anyways, if you are saying Bush lost this “help” by going to war in Iraq, what do you perceive as the consequences? A particular country will get lax in searching for terror cells because the country is pissed off that Bush went forward without full UN backing in Iraq? Well, that’s really smart of the country. They’ll sure show US, won’t they?
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Stop being such a shrill bitch. If you're going to look at my criticism as an attack on you because you want to vote for Bush, you are incapable of having a straight-up conversation and should just PM club and NotMe to get your attention fix. So I'm not going to parse every single word you say or defend every single word I say in an effort to extend the argument to it's
illogical conclusion.
We don't know exactly to what extent we could have leveraged other countries' ability or desire to help us because we told them all to go fuck themselves. That is our foreign (and domestic) policy.
But it's not insane to think that if you're a country that we suspect has terrorist cells and the US comes to you after making its intent known that we intend to hunt down everyone responsible for this vicious, cowardly attack, you might see some serious cooperation.
Nabbing a terrorist cell in your country is in your best interests, yes. But it's not a
priority when they aren't targeting you or your citizens and are simply hiding/raising money/plotting/whatever on your soil.
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Before I hear any more sob stories about how bad it sucks that Norway no longer feels sorry for us (The Horror!) and how important it is that France and Russia think our President is “Not Diplomatic” why don’t you all finally tell us what exactly you want from these countries. List it all out by country – France, Russia, Sweden, Spain... Probably, you’ll think about it and decide to skirt the issue by joking about how awful a cheese/wine ban would be. Because I have yet to hear anything beyond “Diplomacy is good” and “everyone really liked us after 9/11 and now they don’t.” Or anyone explain why being felt sorry for is a good position to be in, as opposed to a strong position.
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Hold your breath.
But while you are doing so, please explain to me how it helps us to go at it virtually alone against a number of (i) countries and (ii) people hiding in places we don't have access to while asking ourselves questions like, "How do we achieve our goals without reinstituting the draft?"
You're bitchy attitude and empty sarcasm doesn't change the fact that you are hiding behind Bush's failed diplomacy. It is impossible to see the extent of the help that might have been offered if someone with brains and vision had been in the White House at the time when everyone was on our side. And the reason why we don't know how much assistance would have been provided was because Bush doesn't need to listen to anyone but Jesus Christ and the three or four advisors who make all of his decisions.
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