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Originally posted by sgtclub
Right, there were two votes. The first didn't pass. The second did, and Kerry voted against it. 30 of the senators that voted for the first bill also voted for the second bill. Kerry did not. So after his bill was defeated, he voted against the only remaining bill that would fund the troops - hence, "I voted for it before I voted against it." That's responsible.
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There was no question -- none -- that the troops would get funded. The only question was how. Taxwonk now has my proxy on this.
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We've talked about this before. It is not the disent, it is the manner in which it is done. Without rehashing the entire debate, there is a way to do it that is presidential, and a way to do it that is not. Kerry has, at times, chosen the latter, although he positioned it much more presidential in the debates.
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It's hard for me to believe that you want to pick this fight. With Bush's malapropisms, faux folksiness (fauxiness?), scowling, grimacing, and so on, it's a wash for you guys, at best.
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I'm talking about the fact that when Bush calls the French on their bullshit you squawk about a lack of diplomacy, but when Kerry calls Allawi on something Kerry thinks is bullshit he is just calling a spade a spade.
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First of all, I don't know what you're talking about. Second of all, my objection to Bush's approach to diplomacy is not that it lacks decorum or respect, but that it serves our country's interests poorly.
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I don't know but that's not the point. A good diplomat never utters words remotely like this.
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"Bring it on." And a good diplomat doesn't build a "coalition" of the coerced and bribed. (I might say something about the particular countries in the coalition, but after the vice-presidential debate the White House
removed the list and links to it from the White House web site.)
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Heh. They don't issue us the decoder rings that Gatti passes out at your meetings.
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You don't need a decoder ring, only seventh-grade English.
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And you like to forget that the Democrats were also in favor of the war in Iraq, until Howard Dean started to pull away in the polls. Then it became OK to be against it, even if you were for it.
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No. There is now and there has been a split among Democrats over the war. Many Democrats supported it. Many opposed it. Howard Dean was the first viable candidate to oppose it, and got support for tapping into the people who felt unrepresented.
