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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Oh sweetie, let me put this in pretty picture for you.
There is
1.) an affirmative belief (conviction) in God (or Gods, or a higher power, or the Mountain);
2.) an affirmative belief that there is not a God etc.; and
3.) anything in-between.
So, for starters, I'm not threatened by the "fact" that someone does not believe in God. How did you come away from this daylong discussion with this impression? Your final question is the equivalent of me asking why you hate black people (i.e., huh?).
As to your first question, if you can set out any (i.e, any) explanation for a fear that is not based on judgement, punishment, pain or something along those lines, than have at it. Last I checked, Sebby was backpedaling away from that position, and I'm not sure he wants to sacrifice you as his rear guard. No matter, y'all find a better word to describe his "concern" about what happens, and I'm all ears. Meantime, I've answered his question about why people feel they can impose morality on others. If this (imposing morality on others to, e.g., enfranchise others) weren't a fundamental part of human history, defenseless people like blacks and women would still be traded on auction blocks and prohibited from voting with the enfranchised white men. How could we do this to southern slaveholders? How could we do this to wife beaters and Mormons? And why are you arguing that we shouldn't have?
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The fear of the unknown. There's your answer. Again. For the 100th time.
I am personally afraid because, well, contrary to my persona here (which derives from hating my work), I actually love my life. I don't want it to end, so my fear, which may be unique, is not really so much fear as anger at having to end the party. I've actually been pretty lucky in life so far. I like this gig. So my fear is that all I know and dig will end.
I have no fear at all of a vengeful god. None. Nada, as you say. You fear my lack of fear because people who don't live in little moral boxes like the one you've built for yourself challenge your raison d'etre. You're a judgmental little man. You don't like having someone bend your beliefs. Its obvious from your debate tactics, where you say things like "There could be no fear of anything but a vengeful god," even though thats clearly not true. Thats "putting the rabbit in the hat" and its the surest sign that the opponent has no argument. I threaten you because I don't play your game. Thats why you keep writing things like "You'll come back to mass" to fuck with me. Unconsciously, you show your hand. You're so rigidly tied to your beliefs that you can't even discuss the possibilty that they might illogical and futile.
You are, like the God Guns and Gays contingent, a "true believer". You just like to call yourself a libertarian because you know this board leans a tad liberal and you want to sustain som intellectual cachet. But I know what you are, and I'm hardly the smartest person on these boards... So consider just how transparent you are to the rest.
Unless, of course, you're a troll, in which case, I tip my hat and say "touche."
